Why Not Use Cedar?

Discussion in 'Raising Baby Chicks' started by Stella1964, May 27, 2008.

  1. Stella1964

    Stella1964 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I've read that you shouldn't use cedar shavings...but have not been able to find out why it's so bad. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks. PS...I've been using pine shavings but sometimes the bag doesn't specify, it just says wood shavings...how can I tell the difference?
     
  2. bluebirdfarm

    bluebirdfarm Chillin' With My Peeps

    smell them ! i think it is the oil or something like that, maybe on the learning page there is info?
     
  3. coffeemama

    coffeemama Barista Queen

    Mar 5, 2008
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    They would smell like cedar-I think cedar shavings are bad for birdy lungs.
     
  4. bluebirdfarm

    bluebirdfarm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    The Problem with Cedar and Pine Shavings as Pet Bedding and Litter
    Cedar and pine shavings are commonly available pet bedding products - but are they harmful to the very animals for which they are intended?
    Cedar and pine became popular for pet bedding material because they are good at controlling odor and have some natural insecticidal properties (they kill or repel bugs, especially cedar). These softwood shavings smell nice due to the volatile compounds (e.g. aromatic hydrocarbons, phenols) that are given off. Unfortunately these compounds have been implicated as a potential health risk, especially with regards to respiratory problems (asthma, inflammation, allergic responses) and changes in the liver.

    Many of the studies on wood toxicity have actually been conducted on humans, who are exposed to these woods and their by products in the wood product industry (such as those who work in lumber mills who are exposed to lots of wood dust), and these studies often compare the incidence of disease in workers in the wood product industry compared to other workers or the average population.

    Studies of laboratory animals have shown fairly dramatic changes in liver enzymes on animals housed on cedar bedding
     
  5. coltsrox

    coltsrox Chillin' With My Peeps

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    yea i heard they'll eat it and then it will kill them...
     
  6. Stella1964

    Stella1964 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks BlueBirdFarm, i'm concerned then that the last bag I bought, which only says "wood shavings" may not be pine but cedar. My nose isn't educated enough to know the difference. Surely a country store selling animal things wouldn't sell cedar shavings??
     
  7. Peeps

    Peeps Out Of The Brooder

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    Cedar shavings are a totally different color (dark reddish/purple) than pine shavings and it would say on the bag "Cedar". Cedar has an oil in it that is a bug repellent and it has a really strong smell. I think it is just too intense for little chicks. I have used it in the coop with the older chickens and have no problems, but your not supposed to use it for chicks.
     
  8. bluebirdfarm

    bluebirdfarm Chillin' With My Peeps

    you r welcome
    cedar is usually redder than pine , and yes they will, they sell it at TSC and i almost bought it too, that is how i know.
    sometimes pine and cedar are mixed in the bag , too.

    this is from another post

    Make sure you have bedding. For the first few days to a week start them on paper towels. No newspaper as the ink may be toxic and the chicks can slip causing crooked feet. after there first few days to a week you can change to pine NOT cedar shavings. cedar has oils which are toxic to the chickens resperatory system. Dont be nervous if they eat the pinne shavings. They will mistake it as feed for a little while but will know where the feed is. If you plan to use straw there are a few things you need to know. Straw when damp can attract bugs. Plus it dont smell so good when damp . also I have heard that hay or straw can hide mites. Pine smells good and it absorbes better IMO
     
  9. Stella1964

    Stella1964 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    My "wood shavings" are a light yellow, almost white, and have a slight scent to them, so I think I'm ok.
     
  10. dacjohns

    dacjohns People Cracker Upper

    Stella, It sounds like you do not have cedar. You probably have pine or something close to pine like fir.
     

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