Worm in Egg or something else???

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by SandyNest, Nov 7, 2015.

  1. SandyNest

    SandyNest Out Of The Brooder

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    Found this in one of our chicken eggs. Looks like some kind of worm, but not roundworm. Ideas Please?!?

    Most of our laying hens are new layers this year (roughly 8 months old) and we have 2 hens that are about 1 1/2 years old. We have never wormed them. Should we now?? I have Wazine brand liquid wormer onhand. Should that work??

    Thanks for any advice. The object in the picture is roughly 3/4" long.

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  2. SandyNest

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    Surfing through this topic to see if I could find an answer to my own question. Haven't seen any picture like this but did find some info on wormers. I guess I will just worm them all if I can't get any info on what this thing is.

    Quote: Can anyone comment if it is safe to use Valbazen or Safeguard for ducks also, as I just put my 3 ducks in with the chickens for the winter.

    Thank you, and still hoping someone will know what the "worm" in the egg is!!
     
  3. sarnold1

    sarnold1 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm not sure what the worm is but the best wormer is pumpkin. The seeds, guts and everything are great!
     
  4. Eggcessive

    Eggcessive True BYC Addict

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    I would use the Valbazen, since one doses followed by another in 10 days will get most chicken worms. I would examine the thing you found, or take it in to your vet to look at (put it in some saline or water.) I'm not convinced that it is a worm, but maybe just an odd meat spot.
     
  5. casportpony

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  6. SandyNest

    SandyNest Out Of The Brooder

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    *bump* Would still love more opinions on if this is a worm/parasite or something else. Thanks!!
     
  7. casportpony

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    Google poultry oviduct fluke. Not sure what they look like, or if one might find them in an egg, but that's te only thing I can think of.

    -Kathy
     
  8. Lady of McCamley

    Lady of McCamley Overrun With Chickens

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    The only worms I know of that can occasionally get into the egg are Roundworms (rare occurrence, but can happen).

    Here's a link to the Poultry Site showing a photo of a roundworm in an egg. Notice it looks pale and worm like.

    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/1/egg-quality-handbook/35/roundworms-in-eggs/

    Often you can have some stringy brown/reddish material in the egg. This is not a worm but part of the tissue from the oviduct that pulled away during the formation of the egg. It looks gross, but is harmless. It is not a parasite nor disease, simply body tissue in the egg, typically in the egg white. Usually a round brown spot, but I've had them be stringy too.

    This is different than the blood spot on the egg, which looks just like a blood spot on the egg, and happens during formation. Again, not parasite and usually not indicating disease, unless you have the whole flock doing that at the same time.

    Here is a photo of that:
    https://poultrykeeper.com/egg-problems/meat-spots-in-eggs/

    This is suspect, but only you can tell if that is truly a worm or oviduct tissue. Again, roundworms are white in color, and that looks like brown stringy material that leads me to believe it is oviduct tissue, or a "meat spot."

    My thoughts.
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  9. Lady of McCamley

    Lady of McCamley Overrun With Chickens

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    ...more thoughts to answer the other part of your question....

    If you feel this is a worm, or simply want to worm your hens, since you sell your eggs, you probably want to remain within FDA approved wormers for laying hens.

    That means Hygromycin B, as that is currently the only approved wormer. Fortunately it does effectively rid round, capillary and cecal worms. It requires continuous feed for several weeks (up to 6 weeks to rid cecal).

    There is no egg pull time and you purchase it in pellet form to add to the feed. The two brands available are Rooster Booster Triple Action Multi Wormer and Durvett's Strike III. I have found good deals on it at Amazon as it tends to be somewhat spendy...but if you want to remain within FDA approval for sale of eggs, that is the only wormer that will keep you technically "legal." (Technically if you use an off label product, you are never to sell eggs from that chicken ever again...many "wink" at that and follow appropriate egg pull times with the commonly used wormers that used to be FDA approved, but that is a personal decision.)

    Wazine will kill round worms. There is a 14 day pull time after last application for meat, which is generally used for egg pull time. Treat, then treat again in 14 to 30 days.
    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/010005fi.pdf

    Pumpkin seeds help to flush worms, but will not eradicate a heavy infestation nor will they kill the worms. It just helps to flush live worms out of the bird ready for the next bird to pick up and ingest. If you choose to use herbals, you must keep very clean litter conditions and rotate your fields regularly to avoid worm build up.

    If you desire to stay organic, you will have to use something like Vermex or Molly's Herbal (which actually does work for prevention as it has wormwood but not for eradication).

    The other thought is to use Ivermectin which is again not FDA approved but you only need 2 successive treatments with 7 day pull date from treatment. Ivermectin clears most internal worms (except tape and fluke) and many external parasites (except red roost mite and feather mite). I have research which shows Ivermectin clears in 6 days from egg residue, so eating eggs by day 7 is residue free.
    http://www.farad.org/publications/miscellaneous/LayingHensEggResidues.pdf

    LofMc
     
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  10. casportpony

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    Studies show that ivermectin is not an effective poultry wormer unless high doses are given. There are also many posts here on BYC with necropsy pictures from people who thought it was an effective wormer.

    @SandyNest , if you suspect worms and cannot get have a fecal float done, get some Valbazen or Safeguard. Jeffers sells 500ml bottles of Valbazen (albendazole) for about $45 plus shipping, Tractor supply sells 125ml bottles Safeguard for goats (fenbendazole) for about $25.

    Bang for the buck, Valbazen is the way to go. If $45 plus shipping is too much, the is a link in me signature for 60ml of Valbazen for $15 plus shipping.

    Wazine, Safeguard, Valbazen are not FDA approved for laying hens, they aren't banned for use, so all can be used as long as one waits until the drugs clear.

    -Kathy
     
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