Worming with Horse Wormer

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  1. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    I've read about people using horse wormer to worm their birds, but I've always wondered how much Safeguard/Panaur (Fenbendazole) paste one would use. So i decided to do some weighing and math. As it turns out, you would give the same amount of paste as you would the liquid. For example, if you usually give a bird one cc of the liquid, you would give one cc of the paste.

    This is applies to Fenbendazole only, not Ivermectin and it's probably only useful to those that worm by mouth as I don't know if the paste would mix properly in the water.

    Let me know if this is not clear enough since I seem to have trouble writing what I mean, lol. I'll post pictures later, that might make it easier to understand.
     
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  2. Joe.G

    Joe.G Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I was always told a pea size amount, given on bread.
     
  3. casportpony

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    Quote:
    This is why it's important to understand how much your bird weighs and how many mg/kg your bird should get. Giving too little worming medication can cause resistance to wormers. Do you have any idea how many mg's of wormer are in a "pea size" amount? Well I was curious, so I measured it.

    From left to right:
    Small = 10mg ( .1cc) = enough for a 200 gram (7 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
    Medium = 25mg (.25cc) = enough for a 500 gram (17 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
    Large = 50mg ( .5cc) = enough for a 1000 gram (35 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
    50 mg/kg is at the high end of the recommended dose for birds, but it is what my vets recommended.

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  4. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook - 7th Edition

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  5. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    This was my experiment

    Weighed empty 6cc (ml) syringe
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    Filled with Panacur 10% paste and weighed. Difference is 6 grams, so 6 grams = 6cc's (ml)
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  6. Joe.G

    Joe.G Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Good job, I do here Safe Guard and such is safe and that it is hard to Overdose bird, so I guess a bit more is better then a bit less in this case, I am not a pro though.
     
  7. subhanalah

    subhanalah Overrun With Chickens

    Where is a good place to get an inexpensive but accurate scale for weighing your birds?
    Also, I'm confused about the directions for capillaria worms, treat for five days and don't repeat?
     
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  8. Corbbean

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    A kitchen scale will do the trick. They are typically $20-30. I balance a clear tote on it and put the chicken in the tote (without a lid, of course!). You can see through the clear plastic to read the weight.

    Casportpony:
    I've read, re-read, and re-re-read your post more time than I can count and either I am misunderstanding something or your units are off. There are 1000mg in 1g, therefore 50mg equals 0.05g (not 0.5g, as you have written). I do believe all your dosage recommendations are 10 fold higher than they should be. Have I missed something?
    I'm about to dose my chickens. They each weigh very close to 2kg, so I am planning to give them each 0.1g (or 0.1cc).
     
  9. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    Clear tote, that's a great idea!

    The dosage measurements are for 10% paste. ie there is 100mg of active ingredient for 1g (1000mg) of paste.

    So...

    0.5cc of paste ~= 0.5g of paste
    0.5g of paste = 500mg of paste
    500mg of (10%) paste contains 50mg of active ingredient

    A dosage of 50mg active ingredient per 1kg body weight
    =500mg of (10%) paste per 1kg body weight
    =0.5g of paste per 1kg body weight
    =0.5cc of paste per 1kg body weight
    If your bird weighs 2kg then you would need 1cc (or 1g) of paste.



    -Kathy
     
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  10. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    I got my kitchen scale at Target for about $20. I'm also confused about the treatment and can't seem to find anything that says to treat again or not.

    -Kathy
     
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