Worming with Safeguard Goat Wormer

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  1. HenHoneyGirl

    HenHoneyGirl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hi i just got some safeguard goat wormer to take care of my teenage chicks tapeworm problem. How should I go about administering? I've read 3cc's per gallon(?) in the water for 3 days but that's for adult this is for my teenagers, they're about 4 months going on 5 now and I have others that are about 3 months. So maybe 2cc per gallon? Also how long should it be in their water? I've read 3 days I believe but I'm not sure. Do I need to worm again after the first treatment? I'm trying to get rid of tapeworms.
     
  2. paneubert

    paneubert Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I could be wrong, but I think the recent intel is that Safeguard doesn't dissolve in water? It settles out/to the bottom really quick. I think there is an ultra expensive version they sell now (that you have to get thru a vet) that is made to go into water.

    Calling @casportpony ....
     
  3. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    That amount is highly unlikely to treat *any* worms, especially tapeworms. For tapeworms, you could try Safeguard 3-5 days in a row, but some people have reported that it's not very effective. Dose would be 0.23 ml per pound for 5 days.

    If you want to be treat tapes, the best way is with praziquantel, which you will find in tubes of Equimax horse paste. Dose is 0.03 ml per pound orally, so a five pound chicken would get 0.16 ml.

    -Kathy
     
  4. casportpony

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    You are correct, it settles out pretty quickly, but more importantly, much more would be needed. That 3 cc per gallon is not an effective way to worm poultry.

    Here is a necropsy picture of a chick that was wormed that way:
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    One can get Safeguard AquaSol, but it's close to $300 per quart, so not an option for most people.

    One could also use WormOut Gel:
    http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/medications/worms-wormers/36-vetafarms-wormout-gel-100ml-cc

    Dose is 47 ml per gallon for two days, repeat in 10 days.

    Least expensive way would be to buy a tube of EquiMax.

    -Kathy
     
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  5. paneubert

    paneubert Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am not sure how many have tried WomOut Gel so far, but I am one of them! I did not realize it was going to come out orange and sort of citrus smelling! Guess that is catering to the parrots.....
     
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  7. paneubert

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    Have not done a second round, but at least from the "did they consume it" perspective, they did. My issue with it was that I tried to use a 50 ml graduated cylinder to measure the dose for a gallon, but found that the gel really is.....a gel. It did not want to come out of my graduated cylinder since the cylinder is so skinny/narrow. So I had to do lots of poking and prodding and squirting of water to get it out. They claim that each pump of the dispenser is something like 2 ml (or 1 ml, cant recall). But my "pumper" seemed to be broken or defective. I was not getting consistent amounts coming out. So I used the precise measuring method. If I could have estimated and used the built in pump, it would have been easier.

    Once in the gallon jug, shaking was easy. It seems to combine easily with water. I did notice a thin white film formed on the bottom of my waterer when I went to wash it out after day 2 (or day 3, I might have left it out an extra day, can't recall for sure). I use the standard plastic waterer type where water fills a doughnut shaped basin with a larger reservoir in the middle. I am not sure if that film was wormer settling out, or a binder in the gel, or a preservative, or what. Who knows.

    I know it is a debated topic sometimes, but this was a preventative worming and not a result of known high worm load. My birds are in an aviary on dirt 24/7, and are contained to their "small" area and can't roam to areas with a "fresh" worm load in the dirt (we are talking about quail). I also got them at 8 weeks, not at day old like most chickens would be sold. So I figured I worm them now so that if they picked anything up from their first 8 weeks of life at the farm, or their time with me so far in my contained dirt aviary, I am covered for a wide array of worms. The theory is that "new" worms wont be introduced into the aviary unless I track them in on my shoes. Half inch hardware cloth means I don't have wild birds coming in or anything like that. The broad spectrum coverage is why I went with WormOut. I do not know of a specific worm issue, so I want to cover my bases. After the second dose of Gel in a little while, I probably won't worm again unless I see an active issue (weird poops, tape worm segments, etc...)
     
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  8. HenHoneyGirl

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    Well safeguard is what I've got so hopefully it works for me.0.23 per pound of water? or chicken?
     
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    It's just a little less than 1/4 cc per pound of bird.

    -Kathy
     

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