Worms...AGAIN. Please help...I dont know what I can use now!

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by roz, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. roz

    roz Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I treated my chickens with piperazine a month ago after having one of my hens expelled a load of adult roundworms. They seemed to be doing great. Maybe this is naive, but I put them on verm-x because I was trying to avoid chemicals, but today the one who was sick before (that had gotten better) is acting sick again, and I was able to see a poop that had small, maybe 1/8 inch long worms moving around in them. I just put some piperazine in the water again, but I'm concerned they wont really get enough of it. Can I feed them the paste stuff? I am throwing in the towel with the herbal stuff right now. I want my girls to get better...I hope I'm not too late. I can run to a store now, I just need to make sure I get exactly what I need!
     
  2. Alas

    Alas Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Use ivermectin pour on. Its in the cattle section at the feed store. I use 3 drops for standard size chickens. You put it on the skin at the base of the neck, just like the dog flea stuff. The stuff you're using only works on certain types of worms. The ivermectin kills more types of worms and it takes care of mites and lice.
     
  3. roz

    roz Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you! Is there a paste I could feed them instead? Just curious what my options are. Does the pour on take care of all worms?
     
  4. roz

    roz Chillin' With My Peeps

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    also, should I be using wazine again, and then the harsher stuff. I just changed out the water and put wazine in it because I freaked out. Should i take it away and go get the stuff now, or will it be ok to leave the wazine water in their run for the hour to 2 hours it takes me to get back?
     
  5. Clay Valley Farmer

    Clay Valley Farmer Chillin' With My Peeps

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    The follow up with wazine won't hurt and may help. It just stuns worms and if your soil is infested they can pick them back up really quickly. After this second go give it a week or so and I would follow up with Ivermectin or fenbendazole (safeguard) to get their system cleared of the worms. Worms are not a one time thing, if you have soil heavy with worms you may need to treat more than just once a year to keep the worm load down. Some people do claim good results with herbal /natural approaches but I doubt they would work for every situation, esp a bad case with heavily infested soil.
     
  6. Wynette

    Wynette Moderator Staff Member

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    I've been told to use Wazine 1st to remove any large worms, and then follow up with Ivermectin Eprinex. If they are killed off too quickly and there is a good-sized load, they can literally block the intestines with dead worms. Eprinex form of Ivermectin is the best form, from all the research I've done. It's a very small dose, .5 cc's for an average size bird. And, it also treats external parasites as well. BEST of luck!
     
  7. dawg53

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    What you are seeing is most likely cecal worms and wazine wont do anything for cecal worms. I recommend you treat your chickens with valbazen liquid cattle/sheep wormer(albendazole.) It kills all known worms that chickens get. It's administered orally. Dosage is 1/2cc for standard size, 1/4cc for smaller chickens.
    You can also use safeguard liquid goat wormer(fenbendazole.) It's administered orally. Dosage is 1cc for giants, 3/4cc for large fowl, 1/2cc for standards, 1/4cc for smaller chickens. If your feed store doesnt carry them, they can be ordered from Jefferslivestock.com or call them. Redose again in 10 days to kill larva hatched from the initial worming. There is a grand total 24 days withdrawal.
    http://healthybirds.umd.edu/Disease/Deworming Birds.pdf
     
  8. Alas

    Alas Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I was using wazine and my chickens started getting sick and dying. I had some of the dead ones necropsied and they were full of worms. The State Ag Dept and a local vet said wazine wasnt very effective. They told me that the best thing to do is alternate the ivermectin and safeguard. I used the pour on ivermectin. There are other forms you can use for the chickens, but I do not know the dosages. I got the ivermectin and applied it the same day. If the worms are bad enough to make the birds sick then you need to use the ivermectin now. Waiting will just make it more likely that they will die from the worms. Once they start acting sick you do not have long. I lost 8 chickens, a turkey, and a goose before I got the necropsy results back. The ivermectin takes care of a lot of different types of worms and also kills mites and lice.
     
  9. dawg53

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    Quote:That's why I quit using wazine. If you have sick chickens, they wont drink the treated water nor drink enough of it to be effective. Wazine only gets rid of large roundworms and chickens can carry many different types of worms. There are scientific studies stating that ivermectin injectable is ineffective against roundworms and other types of worms as well, due to worm resistance. It is still effective against lice/mites though. I havnt seen any studies regarding ivermectin pour on nor ivermectin paste. I stopped using ivermectin products. If your chickens ever get worms again, go with valbazen...you wont be disappointed and it's the only wormer that kills tapeworms and flukes. ETA; also, you can use valbazen as the first wormer. It slowly kills worms over a few days, no need to worry about toxic worm overload.
     
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  10. melissahj

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    Have you tried using diatomaceous earth? A lot of people use it to de-worm their chickens. It can be put in their feed (2-3 tablespoons per day) and will get rid of the worms. It can also be sprinkled in their coop wherever they dust themselves and by dusting in it the DE will also work to kill any external parasites like ticks, mites or fleas.

    Make sure you use food grade diatomaceous earth (and the powdered granulation works best).

    It is an all natural product and is cheaper than other alternatives.

    I found some great information on this blog and specifically about chickens in this article:

    http://absorbentproductsltd.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/diatomaceous-earth-for-poultry/
     

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