Worried about my Henryetta....Please read.

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by FlockMama, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. FlockMama

    FlockMama ChickyBawkyChickChick

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    Hi

    I wrote in another post here a couple days ago about my rir Henryetta(8 months old). Her comb had been turning pale and she wasn't acting herself. At that time we had a big heat wave and barely anything could handle the heat let alone the chickens. Anyway her comb has since colored back to an almost bright read. Today it looks the best yet...But I haven't had and egg from her in 3 (today being the 3rd) days. She has never missed a day since she started laying.

    Next thing is when I got home from work I noticed that Henryetta kept opening her mouth alot. She did her normal hello scream to me and was happy to see me but kept opening her mouth every few seconds. What could this be?

    Also when I picked her up she didn't seem as filled out as normal. I have seen her eat and drink and yesterday when free roaming she acted more like herself. She was taking a dirt bath so I guess some of the feathers could be matted down but she felt skinny underneath. She is usually "Big Momma".

    I have checked for poopy butt, I have felt her crop and it seems okay maybe not as full as normal, (I have kept them in yesterday and today so no free ranging today, wanted to keep an eye on Henryetta), I haven't checked for a bound egg yet though. I've read on hear how to check for a bound egg and a warm bath but a refresher if you think that that is the issue. Any ideas? Could it all be heat related?

    Thanks for any info you have to offer.
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2009
  2. FlockMama

    FlockMama ChickyBawkyChickChick

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    Anyone? [​IMG]
     
  3. purpletree23

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    It could be heat related. When was the last time she was wormed? Is she shaking her head like she is trying to get something out of her mouth or throat? If so she might have gape worm.
     
  4. FlockMama

    FlockMama ChickyBawkyChickChick

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    I have never wormed her. No she is not shaking her head. They are free ranging right now and she looks great and her eyes look healthy. Before she seemed dazed. She isn't doing the mouth thing anymore and is eating grass and stuff like crazy! (Like normal [​IMG] )

    What kind of wormer could I use if that is what I should do?
     
  5. FlockMama

    FlockMama ChickyBawkyChickChick

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    Hi I was hoping someone would look at this. So I got home from work today and Henryetta was just hanging out inside the coop, she seems skinny and still no egg today. I don't feel an egg inside her but am not sure exactly what I am looking for. How many days do I give her missing her eggs before I worry more?

    Thanks
     
  6. Glenda L Heywood

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    i WOULD SAY SHE NEEDS WORMED

    here is some options on worming the whole flock

    I would suggest that they be wormed first with wazine or peperzine
    then Ivermectin pour on is 5% Ivermectin
    1% ivermectin is the shot or down the throat kind

    the reason for worming 10 days apart is this

    the first worming with piperzine or wazine is to take and kill or expell the woms from the gut of the chickens
    and that will ease the pressure put on the chickens body from being poisoned by too many killed or expelled round worms at one time

    then give the wet mash probiotic in between the peperzine or wazineworming
    and then the Ivermectin worming

    you can call Smith poultry supply in Ks that had the pour on for $29.00 which was a good buy

    Smith Poultry & Game Bird Supply

    14000 W. 215th St., Bucyrus, KS 66013-9519

    Ph. 913-879-2587 - 7:30 A. M. - 3 P. M CST Monday-Friday

    24-hour Fax. 913-533-2497



    Do ask them if it is pour on( generally blue in color) so you know if it is 5% drop on flesh
    or 1% water soluble for down the throat or in shot with propolene glycol? drops of propolen glycol to one drop of Ivermectin 1% and each chicken gets 4 drops ivermectin for females and 5 drops ivermectin for cockerels adding the appropreate amt of proplene glycol with each drop of ivermectin

    Wet mash probiotics are neccessary for the good gut flora to come back after poisoning the worms that were in the chickens gut

    worms are very hard on chickens and getting them wormed chemically is very hard on chickens
    so a need for wet mash probiotics
    better to be safe than sorry

    worming twice a yr is plenty with these two wormers
    and the wet mash probiotic is for all times when not using mycin antibiotics
    yes on a rainy cool spring the wild birds spread the round worms as they eat a lot of earth worms which have the round worm egg larves in their manure
    another good reason not to feed earth worms

    My friend Randy Henry did a lot of study on worming in his 17 yrs study on Veterinary
    here is some of his usage of Ivermectin 1% soluble and 5%

    Also severl people use Ivomec wormer 1% water soluble
    or 5% and put on the neck skin of the bird.

    Injectable 1% is
    used inside the bird in injection or in the water also given down the throat
    . And
    5% is used on the shoulder or neck flesh of the bird only. Not inside the birds mouth.

    Directions for 5% ivomec put on shoulder or on the neck
    only not internally.
    (1 1 drop small bantam such as female OE
    (2 2 drops large bantam male like OE
    (3 3 drops most bantams
    (4 4 drops larger bantams and smaller commercial hens
    (5 5 drops commercial large fowl and smaller large
    fowl
    (5 5 drops Large fowl chicken
    (7 7 drops larger males of large fowl breeds of
    USING ALL METHODS OF WORMING/SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE
    06/21/09 at 15:38:39 DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORMING
    Read all this carefully and decide what is your best plan of doing the worming
    the 5% drop on is time consuming but the best over all method in my opinion
    Nathalie Ross discusses this on her spot here
    Glenda L Heywood Brookings SD
    http://www.gkpet.com
    click on pet forum for articles on poultry
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    HERE IS SOME ANSWERS TO USING WAZINE FOR ROUND WORMS AND iVERMECTIN FOR THE OTHERS AND LICE AND MITES
    try reading and answering most of your questions on usine
    wazine or peperzine for round worms
    and Ivermectin 1% water soluble or 5% oil based
    ANY QUESTIONS EMAIL THEM TO ME
    Glenda L Heywood

    ANSWER
    my friend Pam Hogan gives this info on using Ivermetin 1% water soluble

    Dr. Ron Dickey, of Rogue River Veterinary Hospital, gave us the
    following formula for worming with Ivomec, which is safe to use on
    any bird, because it goes by the weight of the bird.

    Use only 1% injectible cattle formula of Ivomec—not the pour-on.

    Dilute the Ivomec 10 fold. Use 9 parts water or propylene glycol to
    1 part 1% Ivomec. Use .1cc per lb. of body weight. For smaller
    birds, dilute 20/1 and use 1cc per lb. of body weight.

    If you are using water, Ivomec is not stable in water, so you have
    to keep shaking it well before you draw a dosage. Ivomec is stable
    in propylene glycol, and it works much better. You can buy a big
    jug of it at most feedstores/farm supplies—it is used for pregnant
    sheep, goats and cattle.

    Ivomec is effective against internal parasites like trachea worm,
    and also takes care of the external parasites. Levasole gets the
    capillary worms and some others that the Ivomec doesn't get.
    Pam Hogan

    ANSWER
    My friend Randy Henry did a lot of study on worming in his 17 yrs study on Veterinary
    here is some of his usage of Ivermectin 1% soluble and 5% oil based

    Also severl people use Ivomec wormer 1% water soluble
    or 5% oil based and put on the neck skin of the bird.

    Injectable 1% is
    used inside the bird in injection or in the water also given down the throat
    . And
    5% oil based is used on the shoulder of the bird only. Not inside the birds mouth.

    Directions for 5% ivomec with oil base put on shoulder
    only not internally.
    (1 1 drop small bantam such as female OE
    (2 2 drops large bantam male like OE
    (3 3 drops most bantams
    (4 4 drops larger bantams and smaller commercial hens
    (5 5 drops commercial large fowl and smaller large
    fowl
    (5 5 drops Large fowl chicken
    (7 7 drops larger males of large fowl breeds of
    Chickens.

    (A 5% oil type Ivomec Stays on the birds for at least
    6 weeks. and is the reason it is only used on the out
    side under the feathers on the shoulder of the
    chickens. Slow release time.

    (B 1% water soulable is injectable and can be used in
    the water. also given by mouth

    USING 1% IVERMECTIN IN THE WATER
    WHICH IS NOT MY PREFERRED USE OF IT????
    you have to treat 4 times a yr GLH


    Iona wrote:
    I leave treated water (4 cc per gallon of water) in the coops for 2
    days. It is the only water so everyone drinks. I change the water
    mixture every day and more often if it gets dirty. There is a great
    margin for safety when using ivermectin so I don't worry about a bird
    over dosing on it. I have been using injectable ivermectin mixed with
    drinking water for 5 years now and have never had a problem.
    GAILsaid this
    I use the injectable 1 % solution mixed at 8 cc. per gallon of water to
    treat canaries for air sac mites and to worm chickens, budgies,
    canaries, cockatiels, etc. I take their water away the night before and
    use this solution as the only source of water for 24 hours. It is
    important to treat again in 10 days to get all the mites that have
    hatched out since the treatment BEFORE they can lay eggs again. For
    scaly face/leg mites I treat the birds at least four times.
    To prevent heart worms and treat round and hook worms in dogs I use the
    same 1% injectable diluted 14 cc. of ivermectin to 86 cc of propylene
    glycol, administered orally once a month at a dosage rate of 1 cc for
    every ten pounds body weight. This works very well for me, although I
    would use caution in giving ivermectin to collies or collie crosses. I
    have not had any problem with shetland sheepdogs or border collies, but
    your results may vary.

    Gail

    Email me with any questions
     
  7. FlockMama

    FlockMama ChickyBawkyChickChick

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    thanks for the info I will get wormer tomorrow.

    She is not doing well now [​IMG]
    Starting to hold her tail down and just stands in one spot....
     
  8. threehorses

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    Is she eating at least 95% of her diet in laying pellets or mash? Does she have oyster shell available to her free choice?

    I'd suspect (before the last post) that it is heat. Birds who are hot don't eat as much. You have to make sure to have good fresh food in front of them, offer extra watering stations, try to keep them cool.

    If you haven't wormed her, I'm with Glenda. I'd personally do a first -time worming with Wazine since she's thin. It's piperazine 17% (wazine 17) since you don't know how many worms she has and hasn't been wormed. It will paralyze adult worms gently to get the bulk of them out of the way. Wazine is meant to be repeated. Instead of repeating with Wazine, go back and do the second wormer with fenbendazole (wormazole), or ivermectin, levamisole, albendazole - one of those. Fenbendazole and ivermectin (pour on) kill larva and adults. So you stop the cycle. But it might be to stressful as a first wormer.

    With all stressed birds, I also recommend probiotics as Glenda does. Definitely use yogurt or another probiotic on the day you worm.

    In the mean time, since she's doing the tail drop, I'd put her up in a cooler place and get her back up and running. Electrolytes in the water, dampen the mash with water and yogurt. Then you'll be able to monitor her droppings and let us know if you're seeing anything odd.

    While you have her up, also please examine her carefully for lice and mites. There are a lot of cases of them right now. You have to look very very carefully as they're nearly microscopic. Check for mites at night over a few nights the next few weeks. Put your hand int he bedding of the coops at night to see if you get any on your arm. (They spend time off the birds, move at night, only get on the bird when they feed, and lay their eggs in the coop - not on the bird).

    Check the bird's vent - is it dilated (open), waxy, and relaxed - or tight, scaley, and dry? Any droppings clinging there?
     
  9. dlhunicorn

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    When it is that hot and the birds are panting then that is an indicator you need to put electroytes in their water.
    If you can separate her to a cooler place then that will help her recover from the heat stress.
     
  10. FlockMama

    FlockMama ChickyBawkyChickChick

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    Thanks everyone. I am going to go get her wormer now. So having worms will cause them to stop laying?

    The heat has since been gone here it is now in the 60's and overcast. They all seem much happier since it is cooler. Just Henryetta is the only one acting funny. Do you think maybe it got too hot for her and caused her amune system to go wacky and maybe get the worms? Are worms deadly?

    I saw her eat and drink this morning and her tail is back up but she is still aloof. I compared her poo yesterday to the poo website everyone recomends here and it looks like the worm poo with a little mustard color to it.

    I will let you all know how the outcome is can't wait to get my "Big Momma" back to normal she is my favorite and layed the biggest eggs!
     

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