I have glanced through some of the threads on using zip ties as leg bands. I picked up 24 chicks of 4 different breeds from the hatchery yesterday, and then 8 guinea keets this morning from the local feed store (from the same hatchery). 3 of the breeds were marked by the hatchery with colored dots. I will be checking on the chicks multiple times a day; checking for health, brooder conditions, and leg band tightness. My question is, how much space should the bands have while on the leg? Can some one that uses zip ties post a picture of the on a young chick? I have 6 different color 4" ties to use, however one of those colors is red so I most likely will not use it, but will use different combinations of the other ties to mark the breeds and individual birds within each breed. Thanks.