Yet another prolapse

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by MoosePijamas, May 22, 2019.

  1. MoosePijamas

    MoosePijamas Chirping

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    First prolapse vent I’ve had to deal with. I’ve cleaned her up and been getting up every hour to push insides back in if needed. I have preparation H and vetericyn. She’s getting nutridrench but I have yet to offer her any food after she snubbed her favorite treat around 10pm (it’s now 2 am) She keeps bearing down every so often and I can’t tell if she’s constipated or what. I did check the eggs collected for the day and it seems that she did lay a normal sized egg so I don’t think she’s egg bound. I don’t know if her inside are so swollen that it’s causing her to bear down. Every time she does this, I have to gently push everything back in.

    I’m no expert, but from what I’ve researched and seen pics, this is bad. I also notice the hemorrhoid(?) thing is leaking their poopy white stuff. Although I will say it has shrank in size since this started a couple of hours ago. So even if she does survive and get everything back inside, I’m assuming an infection is inevitable since pooping inside yourself is not the best idea. I have amoxicillin at the ready if necessary. Lastly, I fear that anytime she bears down or lays an egg, shes going to be in this predicament again.

    Wondering if anyone here has a horror prolapse story with a Happy ending?

    Otherwise, looks like I need to send her to the rainbow bridge.

    Her name is Pickle. She is 1 year 7 months old. She is an EE.
     

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  2. cottagecheese

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    Hello my friend, I am the Patron Saint of Prolapsed Layers, no, I'm actually the spirit of all the hens who died, tirelessly offering my help and spamming my 'horror prolapse story with a Happy ending'. Do you have cold pressed coconut oil available and can you find an oak? Also, I'm perfectly sane. Proof: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/advice-wanted-prolapsed-vent-follow-up-treatment.1301970/ post #3
    Also, please stop the prep H, most of those that get prep H die.

    ETA: She's straining because she's trying to poop, it's not easy in her situation. Infection is unlikely. If you prefer a more serious message:https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/vent-gleet-and-prolapse.1311055/page-2
    Ready for questions.
     
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  3. Jo8981

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    I dealt with a prolapse like this, she went on precaution antibiotics and it took 2 weeks to keep it in. But she never had it again so persevere! I recommend when pushing it in you gently hold it in for a good 10 mins each time and I used plenty of hemorrhoid cream to shrink it. It can take a while so keep at it. Xx
     
  4. cottagecheese

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    A challenger arrives, hmmm ? Mine took 36 hrs to go back in, not two weeks. My Bridget did fine without antibiotics (so her system was not messed up and we didn't throw away her eggs and we didn't contribute to creating antibiotic resistance).
    Seriously though, searching for a way to cure my hen, I read dozens and dozens of threads, most of them didn't make it, maybe because prep H contains pain reliever, toxic to chickens. You know how everyone cautions everyone else to use antibiotic ointment without pain reliever. Look what you made me do now:
    https://www.preparationh.com/products/rapid-relief-with-lidocaine-cream
    See, it has lidocaine in it. Those who recover with prep H are lucky and a minority. There is also the school of thought that says that a prolapse is not a hemorrhoid. Whatever, the main thing is Pickle shouldn't cross the rainbow bridge.
     
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    MoosePijamas Chirping

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    You guys are amazing. Thank you. <3 yes I can probably get coconut and by oak you mean the tree?
     
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    Thank you for the links! I have reviewed them and there is a place in town that sells things like white oak bark. I have the coconut at the house. Hopefully my mounds of preparation H doesn’t kill her but it’s then only thing I have around. Thanks again for replying. It’s now 4 am and she has pooped a little and hasn’t strained or had another prolapse. She finally ate something and continues to drink lots. Fingers crossed.
     
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    MoosePijamas Chirping

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    **** well I used a shit ton of preparation H. I thought it didn’t have lidocaine in it!! Ugh!!
     
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    Wait wait...I didn’t use that one. I used the ointment which doesn’t have lidocaine in it.
     

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  9. cottagecheese

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    Does it have any pain reliever, any 'caine' drug in it? Pls take a look at the ingredients.
    Isn't there an oak on your street , on your property, do you remember seeing acorns? You would also need a coffee grinder, to grind up the bark. It's best harvested fresh and it has not only astringent (meaning shrinking bodily tissues), but antiseptic properties as well. Do you know if the store has it?
     
  10. Eggcessive

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    The black skin on the prolapse is a result of the skin drying out, probably before you discovered it. That tissue is necrotic, and I would try to soak her daily for about 30 minutes in warm Epsom salts. Dish detergent will work for the first bath until you get Epsom salts. Take a rag and try to wash a little of the black tissue off toward the end of each bagh. It may bleed a little, but that means there is live tissue underneath. Honey is good for a prolapse, and can help reduce swelling by osmosis. Keep the prolapse tissue moist at all times with honey or ointment, so it does not dry out.

    To stop her laying temporarily to allow her vent to heal, place her in a dark room or covered cage with good ventilation for 16 hours a day, letting her out for 8 hours during the daytime to eat, drink, and walk around. It can take 3 days to completely stop. Once she has stopped laying, you can let her out again.
     

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