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I am not sure about this being turned into a Sussex thread. Sussex has been used as an example, but the things I have said can be used for all varieties of all breeds more or less. I guess I will go back to lurking.

You are going to be working with White Chanteclers, correct? At least they are a solid color, so that is less you have to be concerned about. My son wanted to get chickens five years ago, so I let him look at various breeds and varieties, so he chose Blue Cochin Large Fowl. We have to select...

You can have aesthetics and production in one bird, but, you won't have the best of either. The more things in your selection criteria, the more you have to cull. It might be very difficult to find the highest levels of each criterion in a given bird in any given generation. Plus, you have to...

That is ok. I did not know if you knew them offhand. I just know everyone has different ideas on utility. When I was doing more with working dogs, I would see people talk all the time about working ability, but they never competed with their dogs. Or they competed, and the dogs never did...

When I was asking for production data, I was talking about the True North birds specifically. One can say they are breeding for utility just to explain why they are not breeding for another aspect. Plus, everyone has different standards for utility or production characteristics. In my case, I...

Siegel and Dunnington published scientific papers on poultry genetics for decades. Imo, Siegel could be to quantitative poultry genetics what Punnett was to Mendelian poultry genetics. Pearl and Hutt were great also, and came before Siegel.

I have a background in dogs also. I see similar mindsets in dog people and poultry people. Many hallmarks in dog breeds are so because someone needed justification for those traits being present in that breed. Especially the exaggerated features that have come over a breed's history. I have...

Just so I am clear, what are you considering hallmarks? I was assuming you were meaning type in general, the things that make a bird a particular breed. Breeds seem to have been created for a few reasons. Some combined birds with traits they liked, both productive and aesthetic, and refined...

Some aspects of the standard are not important from a production standpoint. The are important from an exhibition standpoint. Maybe you have such a tough time because you do think certain aspects are important, when it was just personal opinion, marketing, or simply how things happened to come...

So True North has sold birds that have done well in shows? Or they sold birds to people who have done well in shows several generations later? I got the impression it was the latter from reading the website. Also, the birds shown in the website do not look like they would place well in a...

Most of the experts, elites, and veterans I knew and learned from have passed on, and I doubt they would have posted on a forum such as this one. Things were simpler back the because they only understood a small amount of what was going on. What you seem to be considering hallmarks were...

Breeding was simple back then. So much has been learned since then, but most people on this forum ignore it.

As far as True North Heritage Hatchery, they do not seem much different than any other hatchery, other than they are small. The pictures on their website did not seen any better than any other hatchery. If you read closely, the Light Sussex that do well in shows were need by someone else with...

What is a breast cavity? Do you mean a chest cavity? I thought we were supposed to used proper terminology in this forum, not slang. What about the abdomen? Ok, so if I have Cochins need to the standard, I should get over 300 eggs per year per female? My Cochins are bred close to the...

Are there not different body types for different breeds in the standard? Which body type is the healthiest and most productive? Since there are differences in body types, would one be breeding away from production? There are birds that are not selected to the standard that have better egg...

Breeding to the standard is not breeding for production. Just curious, where did you get that idea? I assume from your name you have Leghorns. What egg production do you have? Which internal organs are held in the breast?