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  1. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Take a look at the wing again. He does not have a whitish/cream wing bay; the barring in the wing bay is too good. I will stick with my first guess- a birchen bird- I would have to see his wing stretched out to make a better determination. If he has any non-black color/non-white in the wing...
  2. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Greenfire farms are selling a bunch of barnyard specials. The male in the picture appears to be a brown red with cream dilution and autosomal red. Take away the barring and cream gene and you have a crow wing with a red pyle zone ( minus the wing bay). You only see the pictures of the birds they...
  3. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    "yet some strains of Legbar birds show no dilution at." Please explain this statement. I do not understand what you have written. The statement does not fit in with what you have written in the rest of the post. Tim
  4. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    The paper is very interesting but no where in the paper does it say that the three different alleles produce three different phenotypes. All three alleles are responsible for one phenotype which is operationally defined as sex-linked barring. No where in the paper does it indicate one...
  5. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    I personally would not buy a bird from Greenfire Farms. I think they do not understand chicken genetics and are fleecing people with their prices. If a Rhodbar is producing green eggs, there is a problem with what they are doing or someone sold them birds that were inferior to say the least...
  6. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    1. I have given enough evidence that indicates that the show quality Rhodbars in Great Britian were wheaten and not wild type. 2. The rhodbar in Breat Britian were utility or show quality (SQ) birds and the SQ birds were bred to meet the standard. The wild type birds would not meet this...
  7. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Almost all auto-sexing breeds are barred. The barring can come from any bird that is cuckoo or barred. The wild type gene produces the plumage color like the light brown leghorn or the black breasted red old english game hens. The wheaten gene produces the plumage like that found in a...
  8. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Redridge. The under color in the British Standard calls for it (the under color) to be a creamy buff red on a rhodbar.. This is further evidence that the birds were wheaten and not wild type. Wild type barred birds have under color that is light slate color. Tim
  9. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Genetics 101 1. The best auto-sexing breeds use the wild type allele but the wheaten allele can be used to auto-sex chicks. 2. One barring gene reduces the amount of red pigment in the down of a barred rhode island red female while two barring genes will reduce the pigment in the males down...
  10. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    If people want a show quality bird, then go with show quality parents. If a person wants an auto-sexing egg layer use the best egg laying parents. It all depends on what a person wants in the bird. Genetics 101 The rhodebar is genetically wheaten at the E locus, gold at the silver locus...
  11. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Makomd, What do you mean by working out the wheaten? Barred rhode island red are wheaten. I synthesized rhodebar in the past. Check post 29. Tim
  12. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Rhodebar were not very good autosexing birds. I thought thy wanted to produce a barred rhode island red. I would not be satisfied with the birds until the color was correct. I would then cross two barred birds together to produce some birds that carried two barring genes. Tim
  13. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Cross the male to a dark rhode island red hen and the barred offspring will be much better looking. More like this. The rhode island red have to be very dark to get this color. The barring gene lightens the red color. A dark female and good egg layer too look at the bleached out legs...
  14. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Rhodbar are a barred rhode island red, The birds produced by crossing RIR with legbar are not rhodbar. I do not care what GFF says on the phone. New Hampshire may have mahogany in them. Smyth indicated he isolated the mahogany but the birds would also have to carry a diluter that would effect...
  15. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Its the down color that is important. I have hatched a bunch of rhode island red and the down color was different among the chicks. I can not tell you how to breed for the down color. You want to breed birds so that when you cross a male with a female the down color is sensitive to the barring...
  16. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Rhodebar are autosexing when you have males with two barring genes and females with one barring gene. The males will have a lighter red color down than the darker down color on females. The auto-sexing is not as good with birds that are wheaten down. If a person worked a while with the down...
  17. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    I wanted to darken the female so the barring would show up better. I was not breeding for auto-sexing. I wanted a barred red bird in which the bars could be easily seen on a female.Wheaten does not work very well for auto-sexing like it does on wild type. One can produce auto-sexing in rhode...
  18. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Rhode bar are produced from crossing a barred breed with a rhode island red, then back crossing to a rhode island red to get some barred birds similar to a rhode bard. The next backcross should produce good looking rhodebar. Then do a sibling cross to produce males that have two barring genes...
  19. tadkerson

    The Rhodebar thread!

    Yes the bird in the picture is crested. Single combs on females and males will go wobbly on the end near the crest. The female is also smutty looking- she looks like she is carrying melanotic. You get the smutty look in older wheaten females that carry melanotic or pattern. Barring does not show...
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