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LOL, preaching to choir. I got my first 3 birds from a friend (dog trainer). I thought they were going to kill me and him. They really lose it. And yes, they need people to join for a reason more then 'omg I love them', since its hard to get wrapped around that without having them. My friend...

Larry lofts - Thank you. There were being used as meat pigeons, yes, but I looked at the standard and a few aren't half bad. I'm thinking ill do 2 different sections - breeders and meatier breeders. Meatier breeders will just be bred for big pigeons, fast growth. The others ill breed less often...

So here I was, on a pigeon place asking Q about Swiss mondaine pigeons, some of which included butcher Qs, when I was informed (luckily politely) that butchering is frowned upon (and taking a look at the rules looks like something I could get banned for :| ) So I came to BYCer pigeon owners...