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thank you very much and the other one I saved was one that also couldnt get thru membrane that was dry I had found this this egg crushed to the membrane the membrane was not broken just crushed not sure if mom (my other brooder, a New Jersey Giant ) had stepped on it or what being new...

I have been following this thread and it is great !! since this was my first year at hatching ( I used my brooders) I had run into some similar problems also... I did alot of the same you did and also sat up all night saving 2 and found one on floor in coop I thought was dead but felt a tiny...