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Quote: Thank You! Chris

7L Farm - A lot of backyard breeders just don't know any better they think that just because they didn't buy there birds from a hatchery that they are, "Heritage" or, "non-production". The breeder may have bought there birds from another backyard breeder or livestock action and was told that...

Quote: That is funny because I got some of my information from some RIRCA Hall of Fame members also. [I know that you quote a lot of Robert Blosl work] If you go to the R.I. Red club page and look up the Chronicles [which I am sure you have] you will see that in the header it says, "The Red...

Quote: Isaac C. Wilbur gave the breed their name (Rhode Island Red) in the late 1880s Would you like to post where you got this information from? I'm sure some Red breeders would like to read it considering that News Letter put out by the club is still/ was called the, "The Red Club...

Quote: My point in that statement was that the folks in RI & MA were calling their birds RIRs Back Pre-admittance to the SOP they called the, "Breed" that they were working on a Red. It wasn't till admittance into the APA/SOP that the breed picked up the name Rhode Island Red. Infant some...

Quote: The Red (Rhode Island Red) was still in development in the 1840's. (Not developed). It wasn't till the 1846-1850 when different Asiatic breeds were introduced in to the U.S. and Captain Richard Wheatland didn't import into the U.S. the Malay till around 1846. (All key breeds in the...

Just because a bird is Red with Yellow legs dosent make it a Rhode Island Red. Just the same as every Barred bird Yellow legs isn't a Barred Plymouth Rock. Chris

Quote: I don't think anyone is saying that Chris. In fact just the opposite. Back in the early 20th century Red breeders took two different paths, one group bred for productivity w/o concern for type or appearance, the other bred for appearance w/o concern for productivity. Both approaches...

A.T. Hagan : They were a strain selection and were selected over a long enough period of time that they had a consistent difference in appearance. They were intended as a broiler breed back in the day so it may be that when they were still a commercial bird they had a different rate of growth...

A.T. Hagan : Quote: That really sums it up. Do you have Rhode Island Reds? Yes you do but they are not of a line that has been selected to conform to the standard as defined by the APA. I suspect your are much more productive layers than the standard version as birds such as yours have been...

Bob, The Golden Comet is just a Red Sex-Link chicken that is supposed to be a cross of a Rhode Island Red Rooster over a Rhode Island White Hen but I have yet to see a true Rhode Island White come from a hatchery so it is hard to say what they are using. If you wanted to you could take a Rhode...

Quote: Need a better picture but I don't think that bird is what the breeder clams it to be... Chris I'm no expert but when I picked the birds up that was the only breed she had & she had quite a few. Why would she tell me that ? Your bird looks very much like a Production/ Hatchery type...

Quote: Need a better picture but I don't think that bird is what the breeder clams it to be... Chris

A.T. Hagan : All Rhode Island Reds are heritage birds whether they came from a small scale breeder or a major hatchery That is wishful thinking. There is not one thing that makes those "Red" chickens that hatcheries are calling Rhode Island Reds a, true Rhode island Red little lone a Heritage...

7L Farm, Heritage Red are only available from a breeder period. If you get R.I. Red's from a hatchery then it is a "Production Red". Here is a picture of one of my Heritage Rose Comb Red's Rooster - Hen - Chris

Quote: Not necessarily, I think there might be one or two hatcheries that call that cross a "Production Red" There are two popular types of "Production Red" one is a R.I. Red bred solely for egg production and selectively bred solely from the R.I. Red. The other type "Production Red" is a...