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I agree and did read what was said above. I think there are some very good posts added here since my last visit. Some people (general) are looking for a quick fix and 'free' security for their pens. Or to make extra use of pet their dogs already. Luck/chance is involved, but so is a lot of...

Well said.

Bolded for emphasis. Well said, Sparrow. People are lucky if they got a good dog, but don't count on it. Even with special classes a dog's instinct is to kill or 'play with' small critters. Chickens are bite-sized for some large breeds. I've considered getting a LGD if I ever get goats/sheep...