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x2 on what everyone else said. BAs have dark eyes, little combs, and a very different body shape. Australorps are a stocky fluffy bird, hence the name - Australian Orpingtons. Marans are a bit skinnier with a different back and tail, and a big ol wibbly wobbly ugly comb. Plus of course French...

I would say you do have two Marans; they both have Marans-y type. The Blue looks like a French strain, and it's got potential to either be a plain old Blue or a Blue Copper lacking copper (seen it before). Black one is a bit less typey, looks American strain, lack of copper could mean same as...