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So, we actually did get a few of Ideal's oriental's this spring . I added a few onto an order of meat birds and bantams, just a few to see what they were like. I ordered 2 thai, 2 shamo, and 2 sumatras. One thai hen is EXCELLENT, I can find no faults with her. The other thai was DOA. One Shamo...

First, thanks so much to both Ryu and Cuban Longtails!! Ryu, your experience sounds pretty bad, sorry to hear about it, and thanks for the information. Cuban Longtails, thanks for the pics!!!!! Awesome!! The top bird looks like a cornish to me, if it's to be a Malay, it's pretty poor looking...

Ryu---Thanks so much for the response, but--why don't you recommend it? What were the faults exactly? I'm very curious about this.

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Lots of good information already here, let's keep it coming!! Has anybody on here bought saipan from Cackle? How were they? I don't think most Malay in the USA or elsewhere are terribly game , whether bought from a breeder, or not they are more of an exhibition bird now. Someone correct me if...

Thanks for the input so far. I have heard good things about Superior farms, and bad things about Ideal before. I guess I was wondering mostly if anyone has actually had them, and knew for sure. Example, I have hatchery barred rocks, for eggs. They are great layers, with nice personality, and...

Has anyone on here ever bought hatchery quality oriental gamefowl, such as shamo, saipan, malay, etc., from a hatchery? I am sure the birds were not show/breeder quality, but, what were the faults? Does anyone have any pics? I would really just like to know what exactly is wrong with these...