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Quote: I agree Cyn. I now have a closed flock. My total "non-understanding" of exactly how vaccines and medicines work is one of the reasons I don't use them including on myself. I never even take aspirin or over the counter meds of any kind - never have.

Quote: Hi Cyn - thanks for sharing that information. I'm finding this a very interesting discussion. Because.....when a vaccine is administered, it is really a small dose of the disease and only makes the animal (or person) "slightly" sick but stays in their system so that they build...

Quote: Leaving the Marans breed out of the discussion (that's just asking for a locked thread) I think this part of your post brings up another good topic for discussion - along the lines of breeding for resistance. I think many, including myself, have experienced this. We order hatching...

Quote: Leaving the Marans breed out of the discussion (that's just asking for a locked thread) I think this part of your post brings up another good topic for discussion - along the lines of breeding for resistance. I think many, including myself, have experienced this. We order hatching...

Quote: Hi Don - no one is asking you to change, just like I'm sure you're not asking others to change. It's a very personal decision that each person must make, and live with, on their own. This is just a great discussion of the different viewpoints. I pray that I don't someday seriously...

Quote: 300 +/- chickens running with ducks, guineas, geese, peafowl, dogs and cats. Never had a "sick" bird. Sick defined as showing any symptoms of any disease. I also don't worm them because I eat their eggs. I've never seen a roundworm, or any worms, in their poop. If I did see worms...

The thing is, the only reason I have a farm is so that I can raise my own food and have it be healthier than what I buy at the grocery. I drink the milk from my dairy goats every day. I eat the eggs from the chickens every day. We eat the chickens themselves when we can bring ourselves to...

Quote: Yep, that was my point - everything "bad" becomes resistant at some point. So how do you keep up if you go that route? I don't worm; don't use pesticides or poisons or chemicals on anything on my farm (animals or crops); don't bleach things; don't vaccinate; don't use anitibiotics...

Quote: In my way of looking at it - they could be either. I don't vaccinate because I have over 300 different birds of all ages, breeds, and sizes running around. I would be spending every waking moment vaccinating. DH and I are at the feed store daily. From what I've read, people track...

Quote: SO, by going to a show or the feed store .... everyone is at risk. Go to the feed store, then sell chicks you hatched a couple weeks prior, and not knowingly you have sold potentially sick chicks. Correct? This is sooooooo confusing to me. Resistance or immunization, such a tough...

Quote: Yes, I understand that part (kill the sick ones). The part I don't understand is the ones that do not get sick .... are they carriers or resistant (because they have obviously been exposed, right?)? In my way of looking at it - they could be either. I don't vaccinate because I have...

Of course, if anyone has any sickness in their flock or has had any prior to sales of chicks and/or hatching eggs, they should notify any potential buyer because even though the survivors may not have shown sign of the illness they could still be carriers in that they were exposed and now they...

Quote: Possibly, Kathy. As long as the others never became symptomatic, you might be able to surmise that they were resistant to that particular virus/bacteria. BUT, you'd have to be sure they didn't have symptoms and recover. Those would, to me, be possible carriers, not resistant. If the...

Quote: I don't show and now that you've posted this, I guess I won't ever attend one as a spectator either. But, the possible disease list is endless and once you start with vaccines, where does one draw the line? How many different injections of viruses and chemicals and medicines and...

Quote: True, and I guess I should clarify that thus far, the only "sick" birds I've had to treat were for: bumblefoot, impacted crop, fowl pox. I've never really had any truly "sick" birds with undefined symptoms/illnesses. Edited to add: And the odd thing about the wet fowl pox outbreak...

For me it also means no vaccinations, no worming, no antibiotics, unless warranted (an animal is sick and can be treated) - in other words, I try to run as natural and organic a farm as possible. I have goats, chickens, ducks, peacocks, guineas, geese, cats and dogs all running around the farm...