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So I got my first chickens in October and although I don't think I'm going to get anymore for a while and probably no other species either, I was looking at Meyer Hatchery again (bad plan, now I want more!) And hit game birds since I heard people talking about quail and anyway....

They only have 3 species of gamebirds available:

Bobwhite Quail

Chukar Partridge

Ringneck Pheasant

https://www.meyerhatchery.com/productlist.a5w?cat=1023

And I decided to look at laws here in MA (Meyer is in OH) and it lists a different type of quail than on Meyer.

Here is there list (and you may have to scroll down because there's 2 lists, the "exotic" animals allowed and the domestic animals and i got nervous when chickens weren't on the list tongue.png but they're on domestic.

And anyway.

This is the list

http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/dfg/dfw/fish-wildlife-plants/wildlife-as-pets.html

For quail on the first list it says:

Coturnix and Button Quail

And the other list is basically the same but says:

Common Coturnix or Coturnix Quail

SO.

My, probably very very stupid question, is are Cortunix and Button Quail a different species than Bobwhite Quail? So would the Quail from Meyer's be illegal here? Or is it just a different name for the same bird?

And IF they are different species, why is one allowed and the other not?

Took this from the site and last i checked quail don't pose a danger?

Types of animals that DO NOT require a permit from MassWildlife
This category refers to animals which are wild by nature, which may be possessed, maintained, propagated, bought, sold, or imported without a MassWildlife permit and are exempt from most state requirements (M.G.L. c. 131, § 23 and 321 CMR 9.01 ). These exempt animals must be obtained from a lawful source, may not be captured or taken from the wild in Massachusetts, and may not be liberated (released) to the wild.

In order to be listed as exempt, the animal (or group of animals) must meet the following criteria:

Accidental release will not adversely affect the ecology of Massachusetts;
The animal in captivity, or if escaped, poses no substantial danger to humans, either from injury or disease;
Proper care of the animal is no more demanding than the care of common domestic animals; and
Trade in the animals has no significant adverse effect on the wild population of the animal in any of its natural habitats.
The only exempt wild animals which may be taken from the wild in Massachusetts are certain reptiles and amphibians (321 CMR 3.05). Such animals may be kept as personal pets, but may not be sold, bartered, or exchanged. The possession limit is 2 on each of these reptiles and amphibians. Allowable species include the American Bullfrog, American Toad, DeKay's Brownsnake, Eastern Gartersnake, Eastern Musk Turtle, Eastern Newt, Eastern Racer, Eastern Red-backed Salamander, Eastern Ribbonsnake, Fowler's Toad, Gray Treefrog, Green Frog, Milksnake, Mudpuppy, Northern Dusky Salamander, Northern Two-lined Salamander, Northern Watersnake, Painted Turtle, Pickerel Frog, Red-bellied Snake, Smooth Greensnake, Snapping Turtle, Spring Peeper, and Wood Frog.



Again, probably not getting any but I got curious of the differences. But maybe one day i will raise them!!!
Kelsey. Massachusetts. Have a 4 year old Black Lab/Great Pyrenees mix named Gator, a 6 year old kitty named Luna, and 8 hens hatched October 26th, 2015. 1 Barred Rock, 2 Black Australorps, 3 Buff Orpingtons, and 2 Easter Eggers on about 3 acres. 5 more chicks coming this October
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Kelsey. Massachusetts. Have a 4 year old Black Lab/Great Pyrenees mix named Gator, a 6 year old kitty named Luna, and 8 hens hatched October 26th, 2015. 1 Barred Rock, 2 Black Australorps, 3 Buff Orpingtons, and 2 Easter Eggers on about 3 acres. 5 more chicks coming this October
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Coturnix (Japanese) quail are different species of quail then Bobwhites, they are a domesticated species and not labeled as a 'game bird' by dept of conservation in most states.  in my state you are required to have a commercial quail breeder license to have bobwhites, you don't to have coturnix, but there are some issues that make it in your best interest to have the license or you (and especially your customers of meat) can be fined by Dept of Conservation for 'over the bag limit/in possession limits'.

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Thanks for the info!!! So then it's just because the 3 sold by them are game birds and/or also living here? That makes sense. I may look to,see if they're under the permit required part. I know the state buys and stocks pheasants every year, just found that out. So curious about the laws baout that part. But so you don't need a permit for the domestic ones? And out of curiosity and for the future, I'm assuming there are other hatcheries that sell the other types? Thanks for the info
Kelsey. Massachusetts. Have a 4 year old Black Lab/Great Pyrenees mix named Gator, a 6 year old kitty named Luna, and 8 hens hatched October 26th, 2015. 1 Barred Rock, 2 Black Australorps, 3 Buff Orpingtons, and 2 Easter Eggers on about 3 acres. 5 more chicks coming this October
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Kelsey. Massachusetts. Have a 4 year old Black Lab/Great Pyrenees mix named Gator, a 6 year old kitty named Luna, and 8 hens hatched October 26th, 2015. 1 Barred Rock, 2 Black Australorps, 3 Buff Orpingtons, and 2 Easter Eggers on about 3 acres. 5 more chicks coming this October
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Thanks for the info!!! So then it's just because the 3 sold by them are game birds and/or also living here? That makes sense. I may look to,see if they're under the permit required part. I know the state buys and stocks pheasants every year, just found that out. So curious about the laws baout that part. But so you don't need a permit for the domestic ones? And out of curiosity and for the future, I'm assuming there are other hatcheries that sell the other types? Thanks for the info


every state is different, i'd recommend you call your local DoC Fish & Game office and find out about your state.    if you want coturnix you can most likely get some local, check  or take out a wanted ad on Craigslist/Facebook groups i'm sure you'll find someone local who has some birds or eggs for sale, you can also order eggs pretty cheap and hatch your own.

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every state is different, i'd recommend you call your local DoC Fish & Game office and find out about your state.    if you want coturnix you can most likely get some local, check  or take out a wanted ad on Craigslist/Facebook groups i'm sure you'll find someone local who has some birds or eggs for sale, you can also order eggs pretty cheap and hatch your own.

Yeah, i looked into it a little more and the page for wild animals requiring permits was much longer and harder to go through but from what i gathered it turns out you were right that you can get permits but there's maybe 4 or 5 categories maybe 7, not sure, and they include educational use, food use, zoos, etc., even dog training (for that you can only have 25), but for all of them you have to have proof you're using them for that so you can't just say you're using it for food but really they're oets and I don't think they hand out many permits but this category also includes like lions and stuff i think so they probably woukdnt care much about quail. But it's fine by me, don't need a specific type, just didn't know why one was legal and one wasn't but didn't realize there were domestic quail.

Speaking of which, those are all great ideas! Probably cheaper than ordering too especially since most places have a 25 or 50 minimum so I'll look into that if I get them smile.png
Kelsey. Massachusetts. Have a 4 year old Black Lab/Great Pyrenees mix named Gator, a 6 year old kitty named Luna, and 8 hens hatched October 26th, 2015. 1 Barred Rock, 2 Black Australorps, 3 Buff Orpingtons, and 2 Easter Eggers on about 3 acres. 5 more chicks coming this October
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Kelsey. Massachusetts. Have a 4 year old Black Lab/Great Pyrenees mix named Gator, a 6 year old kitty named Luna, and 8 hens hatched October 26th, 2015. 1 Barred Rock, 2 Black Australorps, 3 Buff Orpingtons, and 2 Easter Eggers on about 3 acres. 5 more chicks coming this October
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