Beginner of call ducks help and advise please???

I have had East Indies in the past but there is too much whitening in them now (like the graying gene in horses, I guess). Because the whiter hens produce the best colored drakes, it is a breeding trend that is widespread now. Mine were beautiful solid black with striking irridescent green but in order to improve the green sheen the whitening genetics detract from the beautiful black coloring. Beware of people selling Cayugas as East Indies to fetch a higher price.

Poking a small air hole through the shell is supposed to delay suffocation. They need to run low on oxygen to pip externally but if they are unable to break the shell they will die. There needs to be time for them to breathe before they pip externally because that is when they take in the yolk. The yolk needs to be gone before you help them pip and zip so the air hole gives you time to monitor their attempts before they need assistance. The hole should be small enough to keep them from drying out too much during hatching. If you hear strong tapping on the shell you can give them time. If they are not tapping they may not be able to pip through the shell and they may need help.
 
I have had East Indies in the past but there is too much whitening in them now (like the graying gene in horses, I guess). Because the whiter hens produce the best colored drakes, it is a breeding trend that is widespread now. Mine were beautiful solid black with striking irridescent green but in order to improve the green sheen the whitening genetics detract from the beautiful black coloring. Beware of people selling Cayugas as East Indies to fetch a higher price.

Poking a small air hole through the shell is supposed to delay suffocation. They need to run low on oxygen to pip externally but if they are unable to break the shell they will die. There needs to be time for them to breathe before they pip externally because that is when they take in the yolk. The yolk needs to be gone before you help them pip and zip so the air hole gives you time to monitor their attempts before they need assistance. The hole should be small enough to keep them from drying out too much during hatching. If you hear strong tapping on the shell you can give them time. If they are not tapping they may not be able to pip through the shell and they may need help.

My two shipped call eggs are on day 26 now, officially. They have drawn down and I have watched them moving against the membrane for two days but no internal pips. :( Do you think they are pretty much a lost cause at this point? I've never done a successful assist without an internal pip.
 
My two shipped call eggs are on day 26 now, officially. They have drawn down and I have watched them moving against the membrane for two days but no internal pips. :( Do you think they are pretty much a lost cause at this point? I've never done a successful assist without an internal pip.


As long as there is movement I would not give up on them. If you stop seeing movement that is cause for concern. If you can see a distinct outline of the bill pointed up, then they should be through the membrane. The blood vessels will need to disappear and the yolk needs to be absorbed before you attempt to assist. You can make a larger air hole in the shell (I use a grapefruit spoon) but if there is any blood stop immediately. Watch they don't shrink wrap in the membrane if you allow more air into the egg. You might need to mist them with water or drape a damp paper towel over them if they start to dry out too much.
 
As long as there is movement I would not give up on them. If you stop seeing movement that is cause for concern. If you can see a distinct outline of the bill pointed up, then they should be through the membrane. The blood vessels will need to disappear and the yolk needs to be absorbed before you attempt to assist. You can make a larger air hole in the shell (I use a grapefruit spoon) but if there is any blood stop immediately. Watch they don't shrink wrap in the membrane if you allow more air into the egg. You might need to mist them with water or drape a damp paper towel over them if they start to dry out too much.

Thank you so much for the advice! As of 1:30 this afternoon, I can see the shadow of the bill in one of them. I see the bill moving around and opening and closing inside the air cell. But I do not hear anything. No peeping. Is that ok that he's quiet? I plan on making a tiny safety hole before I go to bed tonight so that I know he has oxygen. I'm so nervous with these eggs! Feel like a first timer! Lol. And the second egg is still moving a great deal but I do not see an internal pip yet. Thanks again for your advice!
 
Thank you so much for the advice! As of 1:30 this afternoon, I can see the shadow of the bill in one of them. I see the bill moving around and opening and closing inside the air cell. But I do not hear anything. No peeping. Is that ok that he's quiet? I plan on making a tiny safety hole before I go to bed tonight so that I know he has oxygen. I'm so nervous with these eggs! Feel like a first timer! Lol. And the second egg is still moving a great deal but I do not see an internal pip yet. Thanks again for your advice!


Quiet hatches are not a reason to worry. They will make plenty of noise out of the shell. Once one is out it will start peeping and the one in the shell will peep back but for now there is no one for it to talk to and it is focused on breathing and absorbing the yolk. Birds focus on task related behaviors better when they are calm and not stressed out.
 
Quiet hatches are not a reason to worry. They will make plenty of noise out of the shell. Once one is out it will start peeping and the one in the shell will peep back but for now there is no one for it to talk to and it is focused on breathing and absorbing the yolk. Birds focus on task related behaviors better when they are calm and not stressed out.

Ok, thank you. He is okay. I shined the light on the egg and I could very clearly see the bill, I could see it open and close and then it would stretch straight up. I'm so used to hearing the chicken eggs talk like crazy, it worried me a little. I'm thinking that this one maybe the only one to hatch. The eggs all had totally detached air cells upon arrival and only 2 made it past the second week. But if this one makes it, it will get lots of love! Going to make the safety hole now! :fl
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