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massaging a sour crop

post #1 of 20
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one of my chicks has a sour crop and i dont know how to massage it right. Do i just rub it or try to press it; will that hurt her?

this is a pic of her
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/58223_img_0002.jpg
shes in a bathtub
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/58223_australorp.jpg

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post #2 of 20

are you doing anything besides massaging? when i massage the crop i use very gentle round motions- are you doing anything diet wise? here is some info that i have on sour crop from a fellow bycer- threehorses, can't find the thread link- ACV refers to apple cider vinegar, organic

sour crop

Yes, it is sour crop.  The food that is in there has dissolved into a toxic slush.  If the crop is still full, you would want to cleanse it and then treat her with probiotics and give her organic apple cider vinegar water for two weeks if she's showing no other symptoms.  You also will want to determine the cause of the problem in the first place and fix that.

Glenda Heywood has a good article on cleansing a crop.  PM me if you'd like it.

You will want to do this as soon as possible because the liquid in that crop will grow bacteria and yeast and make your bird sick(er).

The probiotics are to replace the bacteria that have been damaged by the toxic contents and pH of the crop dribbling into the rest of her digestive tract.  They will also help fight against whatever bad bacteria and yeast make it to that part of the system.  The organic apple cider vinegar (1 ounce ACV to one gallon of water) will help correct the digestive tract pH, provide more good bacteria, break down the feedstuff that are in the crop waiting to go through, and also provide more digestive enzymes to break down solid particles in the digestive tract.  The pH of ACV at this solution is that of a healthy digestive tract which is unfriendly to good bacteria.  the pH of the crop (and thus the digestive tract) now is unfortunately friendly to bad bacteria, so we must change that.

If you see runniness of droppings after four days of treatment after the cleaned crop, let the board know.  Let us know in any case, please.

By the way - no more solid foods until she's over this for two weeks.  No grains, no grit, nothing but crumbles, probiotics (plain yogurt, acidophilis tablets, etc), maybe the bread if it's soaked in something useful - BUT - it's too friendly for yeast infections, sooooo maybe not.  Boiled egg yolks are a good healthy treat and will help her gut.  You can also mix the yogurt in a small amount of unsweetened applesauce.  The pectin is small, helps clean out the digestive tract of sludge from this, the pH is like ACV (can be used with it), and chickens like the taste so it's a good way to hide probiotics.

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post #3 of 20
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thanks artsyrobin this was informative ill try to cleans out her crop, give her some Apple cyder vinegar, and i look up some more about sour crop.

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post #4 of 20

I also had my first round of sour crop a couple months ago. I gave that apple cider vinegar and massaged it several times a day. I did the circular motion and more emphasis on massaging downwards. I did not give any food for the first 24 hours, only the acv and also made sure her crop emptied. After that I started her with a little yogurt to see how things went and then progressed to feed. I also gave the ACV for about a week after that but she pulled through fine.
Your chick is gorgeous!!! big_smile I hope she feels better soon!!!

Lisa
RIP Sweet Honey! My blind girl who didn't survive the flooding Sept. 2011. You will be very missed by all!!! Honey is my avatar.
Currently have NN's, brown leghorns, salmon favorelles, showgirls and more silkies than I can count!

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Lisa
RIP Sweet Honey! My blind girl who didn't survive the flooding Sept. 2011. You will be very missed by all!!! Honey is my avatar.
Currently have NN's, brown leghorns, salmon favorelles, showgirls and more silkies than I can count!

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post #5 of 20

Glad to help- been there with one of my pullets- she pulled through, but i sure wasn't sure for awhile! keep us posted

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Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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post #6 of 20
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ill keep y'all posted caf on how she dose hopefully she makes it through this. ill probably end up sitting next to her all night try to get her to throw up, well the heck with sleeping!!!

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post #7 of 20

been in your place, and have had a sick chicken in a laundry basket next to the bed a few times, remember though, she needs quiet, and dark to help her heal, and unstress- so maybe a nightlight will be a good idea

ROBIN-...Love all the feather kids - and yes, they all have names!

Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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post #8 of 20
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i just picked her up and found that she cant put any weight on her lag shes probably going to be a house chicken for a while. also when her crop is better and when shes able to put some weight on her foot  ill introducer her to some younger chicks cause her original flock can be aggressive to her (do you think one of the other chickens could have damaged her lag). lastly i cant get her to vomit do they normal vomit instantly or dose it take a while?

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post #9 of 20

Hi- sometimes that is part of it- as far as vomiting, they are technically incapable of that, what i did with my girl was tilt her forward a little and massage her crop, she spit up that way, but you need to be careful doing it as you don't want her to inhale the stuff....

here is a thread that might help too
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=390448

also, what are her dropping like, color etc?


Edited by artsyrobin - 10/30/10 at 6:40am

ROBIN-...Love all the feather kids - and yes, they all have names!

Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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ROBIN-...Love all the feather kids - and yes, they all have names!

Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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post #10 of 20

Been wondering how she is doing?

ROBIN-...Love all the feather kids - and yes, they all have names!

Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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 Marek's Giant FAQ

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ROBIN-...Love all the feather kids - and yes, they all have names!

Glad you asked...I do run a chicken hospital!

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 Marek's Giant FAQ

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