Gray American Goose? A "new" breed in the SOP?

The American Gray Goose

  • Yes, I am interested in assisting in SOP acceptance.

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  • I have some American Gray Geese.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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I have kept a very few of my gray geese because a good number of people ask for them. I sold all I could produce this year and have still had people call requesting them. I can understand why there are a multitude of types. With no SOP, there has been no reason not to let gray geese interbreed with whatever they are raised around. And if it resembles a gray, they seem to be sold as such. I bought my original 16 from 2 large hatcheries to breed for egg and meat purposes. My American Buffs are kept separate during the breeding season. One of the original (from a hatchery) gray ganders (culled last year) had a buff gene. I sold him as a cross. I also think that if a hatchery is involved in the process of creating a breed standard, that hatchery should breed their own birds, regardless of how many they sell.

I am very interested seeing this happen. My knowledge of genetics is far too limited to be of any real help and I have cut down on the number we keep so as to be able to offer only what we can sell each season. I have had a number of people ask me why we don't exhibit the grays who, when told, ask why they aren't an accepted breed. I can answer that question better now. Most felt it a shame, because they really loved them, but were disappointed that we couldn't show them. I realize that when customers are sent pictures of the parents, they were only seeing the general health and condition of those particular birds.

These are general observations of my own: They seem to be about the same size and weight as the American Buffs, on average, their type is more horizontal across the back and less convex, with orange bills, feet, and around the eyes. Their carriage is not as upright. Other than that, they do seem to be pretty interchangeable with Buff geese, especially in temperament. Mine are very good parents, but not as good as the Buffs, particularly the ganders, who don't seem to be as interested in parenthood as mating until they are at least 2 or 3 years old. The females are not as quick to go broody and do not foster as readily as the Buffs. These are consistent traits over the past four years. The grays lay more eggs consistently over an extended period of time, generally into July, even during periods of extreme heat. Changes in temperature and stress seem to have less effect on their laying consistency and fertility than in the Buffs. I would say this tends to show them as being somewhat hardier birds. The eggs tend to be larger as well.

How many folks are really out there who would be willing to work on this?
 
First: A BYC poll seems of little use. A poll on the APA site would be more useful.

Second: Sounds like despite Neil's carping that the utility vs exhibition or dewlap toulouse is not just an American issue, that across the pond (ie Europe) also refers to the show-type toulouse as dewlap toulouse.
 
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Oooh! Yes, I read about the qualifying meet for the Steinbacher. Boy, wish I could be there. While I'm not interested in owning a breed of goose bred for fighting, I would sure love to see them in person.
 
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Oooh! Yes, I read about the qualifying meet for the Steinbacher. Boy, wish I could be there. While I'm not interested in owning a breed of goose bred for fighting, I would sure love to see them in person.

I read that on Lou Horton's site. Fighting geese? I guess any breed of ganders would fight if introduced to a stranger in a pit. Boys will be boys. I will be at Crossroads and will defintely be looking for the Steinbacher Geese. I agree that the APA site would be best, but the APA has no forum. More folks are on BYC than any other forum, so I placed the thread here.I do not have the gray goose and may never have it again. Just felt the topic was worthy of discussion.

We do have to be careful pushing everything for SOP acceptance. Just because there are a lot of nonSOP gray geese in and of itself does not mean it should be accepted. There are a lot of 8# Buff Orpington looking birds in the USA. Do we admit them as a "new" breed? NO! Nor do we include the Domenecker (hatchery Barred Rock). But this commercial Toulouse is a very nice bird. The ones I have seen is very uniform in type and color. Guess I have not seen as many as Walt. Maybe if someone wise enough would draft a standard then folks could start breeding towrads that standard. A start would be if the major hatcheries started using the same bloodline males.
 
The poll so far:

The American Gray Goose




Yes, I am interested in assisting in SOP acceptance.



62% - 5



I have some American Gray Geese.


37% - 3

If this is to be done, there must be more than just 3 with the gray geese.​
 
American Gray Goose? How about the name Common Mongrel Goose? In my early years I got the Sears catalog = Farm Edition. In it they offered poultry including geese and ducks. The only geese they offered were common gray and white geese and they didnt even try to call them Toulouse. They were just common geese much like those dingo looking dog prototypes that you in theory end up generally with if you allow dogs to randomly mate. I see little value in looking to recognize some sort of Gray American Goose even if they are a common type out there in hatchery land. We already have Pilgrim geese that are similar and American Buffs and Pomeranians with 2 saddle back varieties. Should we also try to get those common mongrel China-cans that are available from hatcheries? They are a half bubble off from both Africans and Chinese geese but there are a lot of them out there. Better we should try to get the solid gray variety of Pomeranian geese recognized. At least they should have a little more consistency than the gray geese propogated for profit by any number of hatcheries. In my younger days I trooped around a lot of New York and Pennsylvania country fairs and there was a stringman and judge who showed good waterfowl and didn't think much of the junkers that often were shown at fairs. He called them just common geese and ducks which was definitely a put-down. I don't think getting them recognized by the APA or anybody else was seen as a worthy pursuit. Just my thoughts from a southern tier mountaintop. And I don't have Toulouse but I do have some American Buffs. Good geese.

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