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Teaser males and females. I use same with my fish. RIval males kept close to breeders help keep breeders mind in the game. Ripe females help determine if a male is even worth introducing a female to. Also appears live food used to tame by hand feeding so as to control stress.
 










In the video noted above, the Green Junglefowl cock is very nervous. Obviously because of the cameraman. If it was only his usual keeper, he would have been much tamer and cooperative. Chickens easily recognize people.
Some photos of Thai Gamecocks. You can see the gular lappet and no double wattles under the throat. There is an excellent photo of the head of a gamecock showing an extreme gular lappet and a large twisted comb with a light area in center. Very reminiscent of a Green Junglefowl. Was copyrighted, but you can see it if you scroll through the pictures.
 
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In the video noted above, the Green Junglefowl cock is very nervous. Obviously because of the cameraman. If it was only his usual keeper, he would have been much tamer and cooperative. Chickens easily recognize people. 
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Many critters can distinguish people and their intent. My tame birds can select me from a group people with ease. Even fish I work with can recognize individuals across species boundaries. It appears to be a common behavioral feature of animals that live in complex environments where social interactions can be based in part on prior experience with individuals.
 
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Thanks for the video reference. I had already watched one where they inserted several hens into the rooster's cage one after another. Interesting. Reminds me of the Taiwanese method of producing "mule ducks".  
I will attach part of an article from Feathersite. It is quite detailed on the care and feeding of Green Junglefowl. This particular piece caught my eye: "The subadult junglefowl have special problems associated with their dietary requirements and growth stages. Too much crude protein will curl the toes and legs." I lived in Laos for many years and a friend of mine is a fighting cock fancier. These roosters are the Indian Game or Thai Game type. He told me that the young birds would have leg problems if you fed them on commercial chick starter and grower. He fed them a diet rich in broken rice. Not a lot of protein. I secretly scoffed at this (a foreigner always knows better) until I acquired a couple of young game chicks. We fed them the same as the bantams and others and sure enough, when they were getting pretty big, one of them got very weak in the legs and spent a lot of time sitting down. He could walk, but very unsteadily. We fed him a less rich diet - more paddy rice and broken rice, and he got over the leg weakness after a few months. He was the larger of the young roosters when the leg weakness occurred. He was also the purer-looking gamecock. 
I have worked in the US for a large Broiler Breeder and all the breeders had problems with their male lines . The male lines had leg problems. What was the main genetic input into their male lines...? The Thai or Indian Game. The solution was to breed for better legs and to restrict their diet during the growing period. I don't know what the diet composition was as I only managed the farm and the feed was sent to us. I imagine the formulas could be located from feed companies.
I will look for a good photo of the Thai Game cocks. The good ones have a single throat lappet like a Green Junglefowl, tight feathering like the GJF, long legs, pea combs, etc.. It is a strong type. Crossing to a regular local hen will still result in young that look strongly gamecock. Strong linkage among their genes, which appear to be generally dominant. I have always felt that these gamecocks must have a different origin than the RJF-descended birds. Just too different and a strong heredity unit.
I think there is a very good chance that these Thai Game chickens are carrying a lot of Green Junglefowl genes. I would use these hens with a Green Junglefowl cock to see if there would be more chance of fertility in the F1 hens and in the general hybrid stock.
I think it might provide an advantage if you used these hens with a GJF cock.
Worth a try.
I can't figure out how to attach photos or documents, but if you go to: Google - 'Thai Game Chickens photos' - you will find lots of pictures - most of which are copyrighted.
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Well that's interesting information! I'll have to see how available those Indian/Thai game hens are. If they really have Green Junglefowl already in them it sure could make it a lot easier to get fertile birds with more GJF genes in them.
 
If you read my previous observations, you will see why I feel that there is a possibility that they might be descended from a Green Junglefowl cross. A possibiity only.
 
When you google "Thai Gamecock photos" you will get quite a large sampling. I don't know if they are all really Thai. The best gular lappet and interesting comb is: www.shutterstock.com 262164488.
The fact that this type of gamecock is found in Southern Asia and all through Southeast Asia is very interesting. I don't feel that they could have independently been developed in each region and still look so alike. The type has obviously been so attractive that it has been transported all over the place. In Thailand even the scale pattern on the legs has significance and is different from Gallus gallus.
Unfortunately the Thai birds are being mongrelized by crossing with gamecock types like those raised in The Philippines. Fashion rules. They are even fighting now with the metal blades attached to the leg. Before it was like a boxing match, with rounds, and handlers helping the birds recover between bouts. Birds were fought according to weight and could survive to fight another day. Skill and stamina ruled. Now it is a matter of which bird gets in the first deadly stroke with the metal blade. No longer fun, but a lot of blood, death, (and money). The villagers will likely stick to the old ways as nobody wants to raise a cock for a year or so, only to have it die within one minute of starting its first fight. The loser in Thai fights is the rooster which gives up and turns tail. The new system is for the rich.
There is the Aseel in India and the Saipan Junglefowlin the Pacific. Where does that type come from??? Not from Gallus gallus, in my opinion. Just my ideas.
 
I was searching the Internet looking for anything g related to either Green Junglefowl hybrids or any genes from Green Junglefowl in domestic chickens. There was one article that was probably exactly what I was looking for but cost $54 to download. There were some interesting points elsewhere one of which was this graph which showed the shared DNA between Red Junglefowl, domestic chickens and Green Junglefowl. They seem to think that the commonality may come from an earlier common ancestor prior to speciation as domestic chickens actually showed some influence from both yet there was no commonality between Red and Green Junglefowl.

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In another article it was suggested that the Indonesian Long-crower chickens were derived specifically FROM the Bekisar which is a cross between Red and Green Junglefowl. It was also noted in another article (that didn't mention the long-crowers having any Green Junglefowl genes) that they have "lost" many of the genes found in domestic chickens (which would make sense if they were a mix of Red and Green Junglefowl) and that the roosters with the best crows only live about two years but that birds with shorter crows seem to live up to four years. That suggests (to me) that maybe birds with a higher percentage of Green Junglefowl genes have shorter lives. It has been seen that when chickens have been crossed with guineas, pheasants or peafowl the rare hybrids have short lifespans.
 

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