what causes spay legs???

lightchick said:

Eww. That's horrible! You pinch their heads off! That's just gross! Poor baby!

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Not always, Sometimes I'll bite it off.

Quail Jailer said:

I stand by what I said, NO SERIOUS breeder is breeding splays.

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And as I said I still beg to differ, there are plenty of serious breeders keeping splays and even breeding them, that is a blunt fact even if you continue to deny it... As I said I know several career 'serious' breeders that don't cull and even breed splays... If it's something you personally choose to not do that is your choice, but please don't pretend to be the voice of all 'serious' breeders when you make proclamations like the above...

There is simply no definitive and conclusive scientific data that it's genetic, most scientific studies show contradictory conclusions to it being genetic with most pointing to it being primarily based on nutrition, incubation and/or a physical act not genetics... Thus many breeders even the so call 'serious' breeders don't fully object to breeding a bird that had spray leg, anymore then one that had a broken toe...

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Oh, the ever popular "just because fallacy"

FYI: I have done plenty of genetic research, even spent a few years in college taking taking pre-med and other biology classes...

Now if we are to assume it's genetic, something I don't fully agree to as I have not seen any supporting and conclusive evidence that it's genetic...

If the parents are genetic carriers then the only way to guarantee the genetics out of the flock is to cull the parents or not allow them to breed any longer the same with all generations of offspring that could potentially be carriers of the flaw... That is unless you can genetically test for the flaw and guarantee who has and doesn't have it... Anything less is allowing the potential for the genetics to be passed into the flock with each generation... The blunt fact is, that even if a bird has the disposition for splay if it never experiences physical trauma chances are you won't know it has said disposition, so there is no way to know what offspring from flawed parents have the genetics, so the continued use of genetically flawed parents, is for all intents Russian Roulette...

Also I'm fully of the opinion that even if it's a genetic disposition, that a bird that doesn't even carry the flaw could exhibit splay traits purely based on poor nutrition, incubation irregularities or physical trauma...

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If after 40 years of 'doing it right' you still hatch splays that you cull, the 'doing it right' is certainly open to interpretation...

I rarely get any splays thank you, I was discussing this with the op, I could care less WHAT you think and I doubt you'll find a SERIOUS breeder that does either, didn't read your rant, you are dismissed, goodnight

I'd still like to see your evidence that splayed legs are genetic. I breed for commercial reasons and every cull is an economic loss to me. On my vets advice , splayed leg is not genetic, unless you class poorly fed parent stock a genetic fault. Unless you can show me some plausible scientific proof I'll take what you say with a grain of salt.

http://www.lakelandbirdkeepers.co.uk/splayed_legs_in_chicks_how_to_id.htm



http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/02/spraddle-leg-in-baby-chicks-what-is-it.html

Quail Jailer said:

I was discussing this with the op, I could care less WHAT you think and I doubt you'll find a SERIOUS breeder that does either, didn't read your rant, you are dismissed, goodnight

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LOL...

Argumentum ad lapidem

Quail Jailer said:

Next time I pinch a splays head off, I'll think of you.

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LMFAO!!!!!!

MeepBeep said:

LOL...

Argumentum ad lapidem

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Wrong, I did not dismiss you without proving your absurdity.

Fancychooklady said:

I'd still like to see your evidence that splayed legs are genetic. I breed for commercial reasons and every cull is an economic loss to me. On my vets advice , splayed leg is not genetic, unless you class poorly fed parent stock a genetic fault. Unless you can show me some plausible scientific proof I'll take what you say with a grain of salt.

http://www.lakelandbirdkeepers.co.uk/splayed_legs_in_chicks_how_to_id.htm



http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/02/spraddle-leg-in-baby-chicks-what-is-it.html

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your vet must be a 4 year old child.

Salt?, throw on some butter too. Pommie?