The Welsummer Thread

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I noticed that there wasn't an active Welsummer thread in this category, and I, being a huge fan of both Welsummers and exhibition poultry, wanted to start such a thread. I believe that it is important to have a thread for every bird to discuss exhibition and the standard of perfection, and a breed as great as the Welsummer should be no exception. It is important to discuss and learn from each other in order to further a breed. Since we all have a mutual interest, we can all benefit from each others knowledge and experiences in breeding and showing.

A little background on the Welsummer, courtesy of the Welsummer Club:

Named after the village of Welsum, this Dutch breed has in its make-up such breeds as the Partridge Cochin, Partridge Wyandotte and Partridge Leghorn and still later the Baraevelder and the Rhode Island Red. In 1928, stock was imported into this country from Holland, in particular for its large brown egg, which remains its special feature, some products being mottled with brown spots. It has distinctive markings and colour, and comes into the light breed category, although it has good body-size. It enters the medium class in the country of its origin. Judges and breeders work to a Standard that values indications of productiveness, so that laying merits can be combined with beauty.

As described by the Welsummer Club, the breed standards are as follows:

GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS
MALE
CARRIAGE: Upright, alert and active. TYPE: Body well built on good constitutional lines. Back broad and long. Breast full, well rounded and broad. Wings moderately long, carried closely to the sides. Tail fairly large and full, carried high, but not squirrel. Abdomen long, deep and wide.
HEAD: Symmetrical, well balanced, of fine quality without coarseness, excess or exaggeration. Skull refined, especially at back. Beak strong, short and deep. Eyes keen in expression, bold, full, highly placed in skull and standing out prominently when viewed from front or back; pupils large and free from defective shape. Comb single, of medium size, firm upright, free from any twists or excess around nostrils, clear of nostrils and of fine, silky texture, five to seven broad and even serrations, the back following closely but not touching the line of the skull and neck. Face smooth, open and of silky texture, free from wrinkles or surfeit of flesh and without overhanging eyebrows. Ear lobes small and almond shaped. Wattles of medium size, fine and silky texture and close together.
NECK: Fairly long, slender at top but finishing with abundant hackle.
LEGS AND FEET: Thighs to show clear of body without loss of breast. Shanks of medium length, medium bone and well set apart, free from feathers and with soft pliable sinews, free from coarseness. Toes, four, long, straight and well spread out, back toe to follow in straight line, free from feathers between toes.
PLUMAGE: Tight, silky and waxy, free from excess or coarseness, silky at abdomen and free from bagginess at thighs.
HANDLING: Compact, firm and neat bone throughout.
GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS
FEMALE
The general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences. Handling: Pelvic bones fine and pliable; abdomen pliable; flesh and skin of fine texture and free from coarseness; plumage sleek; abdomen capacious, but well supported by long breast bone and not drooping; general handling of a fit, keen and active layer.
PLUMAGE COLOUR
MALE
Head and neck, rich golden brown. Hackles rich golden brown as uniform as possible, free from black striping. Back, shoulder coverts and wing bow bright red-brown. Wing coverts black with green sheen forming a broad bar; primaries (out of sight when wing is closed), inner web black, outer web brown; secondaries, outer web brown, inner web black with brown peppering. Tail (main) black with a beetle green sheen; coverts, upper black, lower black edged with brown. Breast black with red mottling. Abdominal and thigh fluff black and red mottled.
PLUMAGE COLOUR
FEMALE
Head golden brown. Hackle golden brown or copper, the lower feathers with black striping and golden shaft. Breast rich chestnut red going well down to lower parts. Back and wing bow reddish brown, each feather stippled or peppered with black specks (i.e. partridge marking), shaft of feather showing lighter and very distinct. Wing bar chestnut brown; primaries, inner web black, outer brown; secondaries, outer web brown, coarsely stippled with black; inner web black, slightly peppered with brown. Abdomen and thighs brown with grey shading. Tail black, outer feathers pencilled with brown.
PLUMAGE COLOUR
SILVER DUCKWING: MALE
Head, neck and hackles white. Breast, black with white mottling. Back, shoulder coverts and wing bow white. Wing primaries, flight feathers (out of sight as wings closed), inner web black, outer web white; secondaries, outer web white, inner web black, with white peppering, coverts black with green sheen forming a broad bar across primaries. Main black with beetle green sheen; coverts, upper black, lower black, edged with white. Abdominal and thigh fluff, black with white mottling.
PLUMAGE COLOUR
SILVER DUCKWING: FEMALE
Head and skull, silvery white. Hackle, silvery white and lower feathers with black striping and white shaft. Breast, salmon red or robin red. Back and wing bow, silvery grey, each feather stippled or peppered with black specks (i.e. partridge marking), shaft of feather showing light and very distinct. Wing bar, silvery grey; primaries, inner web black, outer web white; secondaries, outer web white, coarsely stippled with black, inner web, black, slightly peppered with white. Abdomen and thighs silvery grey. Tail black, outer feathers pencilled with white.
IN BOTH SEXES AND COLOURS
Beak yellow or horn. Eyes red. Comb, face, ear lobes and wattles bright red. Legs and feet yellow. Undercolour dark slate grey.
STANDARD WEIGHTS, LARGE FOWL
Cock 7lb, Cockerel 6lb, Hen 6lb, Pullet 4½ to 51b. These weights should be taken as minimum Standards.
WELSUMMER CLUB EGG STANDARD
The Welsummer Club adheres to the Poultry Club Standard and scale of points for judging eggs. Size: Exhibition Welsummer eggs should be of good size
Colour: A rich, deep red-brown, as dark as possible. Some products are speckled and occasionally blotched. Glossy eggs are produced but the matt egg is the preferred.


SERIOUS DEFECTS: Comb other than single or with side sprigs. White in lobe, excessive white in plumage. Feather on legs, hocks or between toes. Other than four toes. Striping in neck hackle or saddle of male. Absolutely black or whole red breast in the male. Salmon breast in the female. Legs other than yellow. Badly crooked or duck toes. Any body deformity. Coarseness, beefiness and anything which interferes with the productiveness and general utility of the breed.

SCALE OF POINTS
20 General Type
30 Handling, Size & Productivenes
10 Head
10 Legs and Feet
20 Colour
10 Condition


An illustration of a welsummer roo and hen

Shades of welsummer eggs


I hope that this thread can provide information and incite about breeding welsummers to the standards, as well as showing, culling, and discussing traits and imperfections in the breed. Everyone who enjoys welsummers, regardless of if you own, show or breed them, is welcome in this thread. All that is necessary is a love for this bird, and an interest in furthering the breed.
 
I am new to chickens but 2 of my first are welsummers. I bought the straight run from a local breeder. At 6 weeks om 90% positive they are both pullets. They are beautiful birds. Tomorrow I will post new pictures.
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This one was at 3 weeks (I think)
 
Female welsummer chicks will have the distinct "eyeliner" by their eyes. It makes it very easy to sex welsummers as chicks. I have also heard that males can have eyeliner as chicks in some lines, but most lines of Welsummers are easily sexed by the eyeliner or lack of eyeliner. Also, pullets will have a distinct "V" on the back of their heads, while cockerels will have a smudged V. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are an autosexing breed, since there are some (unusual) exceptions to these rules.

Good luck with your two pullets. You can't go wrong local breeders. Most are not in it for the money, and are really focused on producing quality birds that fit the breed standards. Even if you don't plan on showing, it is good to know that your birds are good quality. Birds that are better bred will not only look better, but live longer, and have better personalities. These are just generalizations, of course, but it has been my experience also. If you do choose to breed or show down the road, then you have some good stock to start you off. I got my welsummers from a local breeder, too. Hatcheries are ok for backyard layers designed for egg production that somewhat resemble the breeds they are supposed to be. But, you know that when a company is in it for profit, they aren't going to be getting you a well bred bird.
 
Yes, this was what the breeder told me about the eyes and head. They also have not developed dark on the chest which I have heard cockerels do. This breeder is great. I also got my 4 ameraucanas from him. I do not plan to show at this time but may in the future. I just wanted healthy chickens that I knew where they came from and could see the parents and premises they were hatched on. I have always believed that it is best to get animals that way when possible.
 
Here are pics from today. Ignore the light brahmas,black ameraucana and the SLW in the group shot. The 1st pic.is one chick and second is the other.
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I have some welsummer pullets around that age that I am raising up for fall shows. Mine are fully feathered and off the heat lamp. I'm just waiting until they are big enough to go outside. But welsummers are pretty fast growing. They are already bigger than the Barnevelders and Wyandottes I have in with them. They were hatched May 1, I believe. I really like the look of your wellsummer pullet. Her tail is especially nice. She should develop into something nice. Keep us posted with pics.
 
I have some welsummer pullets around that age that I am raising up for fall shows. Mine are fully feathered and off the heat lamp. I'm just waiting until they are big enough to go outside. But welsummers are pretty fast growing. They are already bigger than the Barnevelders and Wyandottes I have in with them. They were hatched May 1, I believe. I really like the look of your wellsummer pullet. Her tail is especially nice. She should develop into something nice. Keep us posted with pics.

Thanks and will do. I hope more people join soon.
 
Some pics of one of my girls. She is developing nicely. Way too early to tell for sure. Plus at that age they move so much it's hard to observe them. That being said, I have high hopes for her. The parents were all from good stock, and I trust that the breeder knows what she is doing. It is important to not only have good stock, but to know how and what to breed together. A nice male and nice female won't necessarily make the nicest offspring. Sometimes the ugly hen will make gourgeous kids. You never really know. It's just trial and error. Hopefully she has already raised a couple batches of chicks from these guys' parents to see how they turn out.
Here are the pics of her:
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And a pic of her dad:
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Some pics of one of my girls. She is developing nicely. Way too early to tell for sure. Plus at that age they move so much it's hard to observe them. That being said, I have high hopes for her. The parents were all from good stock, and I trust that the breeder knows what she is doing. It is important to not only have good stock, but to know how and what to breed together. A nice male and nice female won't necessarily make the nicest offspring. Sometimes the ugly hen will make gourgeous kids. You never really know. It's just trial and error. Hopefully she has already raised a couple batches of chicks from these guys' parents to see how they turn out.
Here are the pics of her:
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And a pic of her dad:
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So pretty. Hopefully she turns out to be the one.
 

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