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Originally Posted by yinepu

overall for chickens the total lost would be 13% through the incubation... (some places say 12%)  13% over 21 days would be 0.62% per day .. by day 18 it would be 0.62 X 18 = 11.16%

so when you collect the eggs you would weigh them.. then make a note of the weight before you put them into the bator.. you can average the weights or weigh each egg  and do the math for individual eggs...every time you go to monitor them.. that part is up to you

so as an example lets say you have 5 eggs..

egg 1 weighs 63 grams

egg 2 weighs 61 grams

egg 3 weighs 64 grams

egg 4 weighs 62 grams

egg 5 weighs 65 grams

if you weigh each egg once a week (on the same day of the week and roughly the same time of day)

egg 1 weighs 63 grams and needs to lose a total of 8.19 grams throughout the entire incubation.. or (8.19 / 21 days = 0.39 grams per day X 7 days = 2.73 grams per week

egg 2 weighs 61 grams and needs to lose a total of 7.93 grams throughout the entire incubation.. or (7.93 / 21 days = 0.38 grams per day X 7 days = 2.66 grams per week

egg 3 weighs 64 grams and needs to lose a total of 8.32 grams throughout the entire incubation.. or (8.32 / 21 days = 0.40 grams per day X 7 days = 2.80 grams per week

egg 4 weighs 62 grams and needs to lose a total of 8.06 grams throughout the entire incubation.. or (8.06 / 21 days = 0.38 grams per day X 7 days = 2.66 grams per week

egg 5 weighs 65 grams and needs to lose a total of 8.45 grams throughout the entire incubation.. or (8.45 / 21 days = 0.40 grams per day X 7 days = 2.80 grams per week

if you are averaging all the weights together it would look like

63 +61+ 64 + 62 + 65 = 315 grams total weight of all eggs.. divided by the number of eggs to get the average ( /5 = 63 grams average weight)  after a week weigh the eggs again and average out the new weights.. for these eggs the expected average weight loss per week would be 2.73 grams

so looking at just egg 1:

day 0 (initial weight) 63 grams

day 7 weight:  60.27 grams

day 14 weight:  57.54 grams

day 21 weight: 54.81 grams

you can weigh eggs more often just do the math for however many days it will be

Thanks for that very detailed chart.  I just noticed today that a few of my chicks I have hatched over the last three months have bent or curved toes, I guess you can say deformed.  What do you think caused this?

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Originally Posted by Jungleexplorer

Thanks for that very detailed chart.  I just noticed today that a few of my chicks I have hatched over the last three months have bent or curved toes, I guess you can say deformed.  What do you think caused this?

curved or bent toes can be from a number of problems.. hereditary issues, riboflavin deficiency (vitamin B2), incubation temp too high (early hatches), also found in chicks which have been stuck in the shell for too long (very late hatches).. the usual cause though is the riboflavin deficiency in the parent stock

you can splint the toes if you catch it really early (like on day 1 after hatch).. people have reported good success using tape or making a little band-aid shoes for the chicks

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Ok, you guys....I've been following this thread. I've got 2 Silver Laced Cochin eggs that went into lockdown late last night. Because of this thread I've kept them at around 30-35% humidity. I put them in another incubator (Brinsea 10 egg manual) to hatch and they're sitting at 73% humidity and 99.5 temp. Is that good or should I lower the humidity somehow? I think I could direct a fan in that direction to lower it if I need to. The incubator does have a fan in it.

What do you think? Both air sacs look like where they should at day 18. I've bought 4 temp/humidity gauges plus swiped my son's expensive one in trying to get this right.

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Originally Posted by Ksane

Ok, you guys....I've been following this thread. I've got 2 Silver Laced Cochin eggs that went into lockdown late last night. Because of this thread I've kept them at around 30-35% humidity. I put them in another incubator (Brinsea 10 egg manual) to hatch and they're sitting at 73% humidity and 99.5 temp. Is that good or should I lower the humidity somehow? I think I could direct a fan in that direction to lower it if I need to. The incubator does have a fan in it.

What do you think? Both air sacs look like where they should at day 18. I've bought 4 temp/humidity gauges plus swiped my son's expensive one in trying to get this right.

if your hygrometers are accurate then you should fine with the high humidity.. I've had it as high as 90% at hatch with no problems.. just had to move the chicks to the brooder so they could dry and fluff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by yinepu

curved or bent toes can be from a number of problems.. hereditary issues, riboflavin deficiency (vitamin B2), incubation temp too high (early hatches), also found in chicks which have been stuck in the shell for too long (very late hatches).. the usual cause though is the riboflavin deficiency in the parent stock

you can splint the toes if you catch it really early (like on day 1 after hatch).. people have reported good success using tape or making a little band-aid shoes for the chicks

I just noticed that the three chicks with the bent toes were shipped eggs that came from two different seller.  None of the chicks from my flocks eggs have bent toes.  But, another sad thing happened which only reinforces the reason I am hatching all these Gamefowls.  Yesterday it got to 104 degrees (new record) and today I found two of my healthiest RRs dead in their coops.  My RRs have clean fresh water, shade, lots of food and everything else I can give them and they still just die.  The can be perfectly healthy one day and die that night.  WHY!  Out of 45 RRs chicks I bought from the store and raised, I now only have 11 left after two years.

I have had six gamefowl hens for five year and I still have six gamefowl hens. This is the reason I am moving to gamefowl.  I just can't stand to walk out to my coop and find my hens dead.

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Dedicated to the preservation and improvement of the Cubalaya breed.

My Website: www.jungleexplorer.net. A Nature Photography website.

"Throughout the history of the world, the evil that has committed the most heinous atrocities against humanity, is a government with too much power."

Website Administrator for the Cubalaya Club of America. www.cubalayaclub.org.
Dedicated to the preservation and improvement of the Cubalaya breed.

My Website: www.jungleexplorer.net. A Nature Photography website.

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Originally Posted by Jungleexplorer

I just noticed that the three chicks with the bent toes were shipped eggs that came from two different seller.  None of the chicks from my flocks eggs have bent toes.  But, another sad thing happened which only reinforces the reason I am hatching all these Gamefowls.  Yesterday it got to 104 degrees (new record) and today I found two of my healthiest RRs dead in their coops.  My RRs have clean fresh water, shade, lots of food and everything else I can give them and they still just die.  The can be perfectly healthy one day and die that night.  WHY!  Out of 45 RRs chicks I bought from the store and raised, I now only have 11 left after two years.

I have had six gamefowl hens for five year and I still have six gamefowl hens. This is the reason I am moving to gamefowl.  I just can't stand to walk out to my coop and find my hens dead.

some birds can't handle the heat as easy as others... it's heartbreaking.. but it happens.. I have hatched out a lot of Delaware chicks from shipped eggs.. and they seem to be doomed from the start... pretty much if something bad will happen to one of my birds.. it will be one of my Delawares.. I've had them fall over dead from a heart attack.or find one laying dead under the roost without a mark on it...  none of my other birds.. just my Delawares... and no idea why other than bad genes

my poor lil Delawares are cursed..

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I don't have poultry.. I have mini feathered velociraptors
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I don't have poultry.. I have mini feathered velociraptors
Turkey Incubation and Hatching Guide

Originally Posted by yinepu
Originally Posted by Ksane

Ok, you guys....I've been following this thread. I've got 2 Silver Laced Cochin eggs that went into lockdown late last night. Because of this thread I've kept them at around 30-35% humidity. I put them in another incubator (Brinsea 10 egg manual) to hatch and they're sitting at 73% humidity and 99.5 temp. Is that good or should I lower the humidity somehow? I think I could direct a fan in that direction to lower it if I need to. The incubator does have a fan in it.

What do you think? Both air sacs look like where they should at day 18. I've bought 4 temp/humidity gauges plus swiped my son's expensive one in trying to get this right.

if your hygrometers are accurate then you should fine with the high humidity.. I've had it as high as 90% at hatch with no problems.. just had to move the chicks to the brooder so they could dry and fluff

Thank you for your input. Fingers are crossed!

I know these are not the best results, but it sure beats the heck out of having to constantly keep an eye on the humidity levels for 18 days and then having to stand by my hatcher for three days involved in a life and death struggle trying to save sticky chicks.  This way I only look at my incubator twice a week; once on Tuesday to move the eggs to the hatcher and once on Friday to candle the eggs and put the next batch of 14 eggs in the incubator.  It sure is a lot easier and less stressful this way.

Edited by Jungleexplorer - 5/19/12 at 8:11am
"Throughout the history of the world, the evil that has committed the most heinous atrocities against humanity, is a government with too much power."

Website Administrator for the Cubalaya Club of America. www.cubalayaclub.org.
Dedicated to the preservation and improvement of the Cubalaya breed.

My Website: www.jungleexplorer.net. A Nature Photography website.

"Throughout the history of the world, the evil that has committed the most heinous atrocities against humanity, is a government with too much power."

Website Administrator for the Cubalaya Club of America. www.cubalayaclub.org.
Dedicated to the preservation and improvement of the Cubalaya breed.

My Website: www.jungleexplorer.net. A Nature Photography website.

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