ACV warning.... suddenly my 3-week old chicks died!

[SeaChick]

I've been raising chickens for over a decade and never seen anything like this. I had 10 3-week old chicks, who'd always been among the healthiest and most vigorous I'd ever had. Yesterday I filled their food and changed their water at around 5:00. As I normally do, I added a splash of organic apple cider vinegar to the water. However, instead of using the new bottle I'd been using all along, I grabbed an old bottle with only a 1/2 inch or so left, the cloudy "mother" at the bottom.

The chicks were COMPLETELY fine when I left. I'm well aware of how chickens look when they're ill: tail down, ruffled dull feathers, etc. These girls were all perfectly fine.

I came back and hour and a half later to double-check the temperature in their enclosure, since it was supposed to get very cold last night. ALL BUT ONE WERE PRONE ON THE FLOOR. Many were belly up, dead. It was horrible, heartbreaking. One lone chick seemed fine, and three were still breathing. I brought the four into the house and tried to get them to drink. Two were too far gone and died in my hands, convulsing. The one healthy one seemed fine, and the one I'd gotten to drink (who was lying down breathing heavily and very listless) did make it through the night and is a bit better today.

The ONLY thing that was different yesterday was the different apple cider vinegar. The cage was the same, everything else the same. I cannot imagine what else could cause such a sudden death than some type of poison, so I'm assuming there was something about that vinegar. My theory is that the one unaffected chick didn't drink any.

If anyone has any other ideas, I'd love to know, but for now I'm assuming that's what it was and putting it out there as a warning...

 

[realsis]

First, i am so very sorry for the losses you suffered! Thats so terrible. When i first started with chickens a few years back i bought into the Apple Cider with mother " cure all- health tonic" theory. Then i began to do my own reasearch.i learned the cider can be hard on them especially when young and will change the p.h. in the intestine to acidic. Growing birds this can be extremely hard on the lining of the intestine. What i learned is a good Probotic (benifical bacteria) is MUCH better for their intestines. I use the one with Several different types of benifical bacteria in it that has 10 million colony forming units. Its called ProBios for poultry. I use it for newly hatched to adult birds. Its added to the drinking water.the benifical bacteria once established in the intestine can actually fight off bad bacteria thats introduced. It keeps their stool healthy as well. It wont change the p.h in their body. Its tested and proven. If you do some digging you will find the claims of the benifits of ACV. Are just that, claims and no real proof it has any benifit. May i ask, was the ACV given in a Metal water container? The ACV cant be given in metal as it can errode the metal. Imagine what it can to to intestines if it can errode metal containers? This is just my opinion after researching ACV myself.Many folks would disagree and swear by the stuff but ive never seen a benifit and after reasearch i stopped providing ACV all together and switched to a probotic where i CAN actually see a benifit in the birds feces.After yoyr experience, i would not use it again. Instead do try a good probotic. I have used Probios for years now and really love it. A jar goes a long way!! I buy mine online by searching " buy Probios for poultry". They have it for different animals so always get the one for poultry. Sometimes Tractor Supply carries the small jar but its more economical to get the large jar online. A jar last a good long time. I hope this helps and i am so very sorry you had to go through such a tragic experience with your birds. That is so awful. My heart goes out to you and i hope something i have said can benifit you and your flocks in some way. Best wishes.

 

[shoelby08]

How terrible!! Maybe the leftovers in the old bottle had become too acidic for their little systems. I give acv too to my chickens at a rate of about 2 tbsp a gallon,so its really extremely weak,how large is your waterer? Hopefully someone else will chime in, once again so sorry of your loss.

 

[SeaChick]

Thank you. That's my theory as well. Or maybe the concentration of the "mother" down at the bottom? It's a small chick waterer.... quart size maybe? And I put a splash in, probably 1/2-3/4 tsp. Quite diluted... and the same amount I've been giving them for weeks with no ill effect at all. In fact, these chicks were especially robust and healthy.

The only other "iffy" thing is that it was quite cold here yesterday and the previous night, and they're out in a shed. However, they had two het lamps and the cage was covered with a packing blanket. And that set-up and temps had been the same for at least 36 hours prior and they were not seeming listless or ill or cold or anything at all. If there had been some evidence of poor health, or they had died one by one over a period of time, I might have thought they'd just gotten too cold at some point. But the incredibly abrupt, sudden die-off is what leads me to believe they were poisoned.

Anwyay -i t's the first time something catastrophic like this has happened in any of my flocks. I feel just terrible!

 

[drdoolittle]

I'm so sorry that you lost your chicks like this! It's crazy how attached we get to this little fluff balls! Hugs!

 

[JoeP]

Seachick I'm sorry about your chicks! Just a thought.. You said it was a old cloudy bottle of ACV. Could the problem possibly be whether or not the ACV is a raw unfiltered ACV?
I don't know if that would matter or not but I would think a pasteurized or filtered ACV might not have bacterial growth compared to a RAW ACV? Just a idea.

 

[SeaChick]

I suppose! I've always used organic raw ACV in the past without any ill effect though. And the new bottle I'd used with these girls previously was also raw... but it wasn't the cloudy dregs. It's really such a mystery. I really wish I knew definitively, because I'm sort of scared to put any other chicks in the same environment now in case it was something else!

 

[Jensownzoo]

This does sound suspicious. If you want to know for sure, consider submitting one of the bodies to your state veterinary diagnostic lab for necropsy. You can google to find their website and submission procedures/fees.

 

[SeaChick]

Good idea! I just called and got the procedure for sending them to the state vet.

 

[Jensownzoo]

When you get results, please update this thread. I'm sure quite a few people would be interested.