Ameraucana (?) Breed question and Pullet or Roo?

[JesWith3]

I have two Ameraucanas in my flock (I THINK). The topic still confuses me, because I've learned that just because a chicken has parents that are both Ameraucanas, if they don't meet a certain color requirement, they might not TECHNICALLY be Ameraucanas, but instead be simply classified as an Easter Egger. With that in mind, I have a few questions:
-Is my Ameraucana roo, Barnaby, (Black with splashes of red and cream, bright red triple row pea comb and no waddles) in fact an Ameraucana or just an Easter Egger?
-What is Barnaby's color pattern called? Is there one??
-Same question for my white Ameraucana with black specks.
They are hatchmates with the same parents (parents are not my birds). Both hatched from blue Ameraucana (not Americana/Easter Egger) eggs.
-Is my white Ameraucana with black specks in fact a pullet as I am assuming she is? Single pale pea comb (she has not come into lay, yet (if she is a she), though her brother IS sexually mature and fertilizing eggs now), rounded tail feathers with no signs of sickle feather or pointed saddle feathers. I could not get a good pic of that.
Thank you for any input.
P.S. Please excuse the second picture, my son squeezed a piece of the flock's suet treat through the bars and left quite a gross looking mess. Apologies.

 

[The Moonshiner]

They both hatched from beautiful blue eggs, this is just so weird and I'm left with more and more questions. I thank you greatly for your expertise and input. Keep it comin'!

Here's some insight that you probably won't hear from most.
I first saw blue egg layers in the 70s. That was before I ever heard of the name Ameraucana or Easter Egger. In that day they were called Araucanas.
They weren't exactly pure for any of those breeds as we know them today. Breeders were trying to standardizes them as the Araucana and did in the mid 70s. Other breeders took them in a different direction creating the American Araucana shortened to Ameraucana and joining the APA almost 10 years later.
Many thought the gene that caused the no tail was linked to the lethal gene in those earliest birds. Some knew and others later figured out it was the ear tufts that was linked. But anyways people started breeding away from one or the other or both sets of genes.
Araucanas became less popular and Ameraucana popularity grew. But all along the way the hatcheries kept breeding for the blue egg genes with less regard to the SOP the APA set.
Those birds were now becoming advertised as the "Easter egg layers" For a long long time you could buy these non Ameraucana birds from hatcheries that laid blue eggs. Idk if there's any hatcheries that still have those lines or if they've all mixed egg genes now.
Easter eggers, Americanas, etc are all just different labels that were eventually attached by hatcheries to their birds.
It doesn't suprise me that so many are confused by what exactly they have since its changed so often.

 

[fluffycrow]

Yes, both Easter Eggers. The boy would be a black with leakage, IMO. The pullet, not sure. She seems to have a single comb

 

[The Moonshiner]

Pullet also appears to have yellow shanks.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I wondered about that, too. She has the slightest bit of a "painting" of inky grey on the very tops that is hard to see unless you're looking. She's the weirdest one of the 8 I hatched. The only one with no beard and very little muffs by her earlobes. I did help this one hatch and she struggled to thrive for a while, but I doubt that had much to do with all of these things. I think the seller THOUGHT she was selling me "Pure Ameraucana" eggs, but was really selling "Americana" ((shrug))

I don't buy into the whole Ameraucana offspring that aren't color/pattern pure aren't Ameraucana idea.
My issue with yours is that pullets leg color. Yellow skin is incorrect for Ameraucana and for a bird to have yellow skin it had to get that gene from both parents.
Yellow skin is recessive to white skin so since yours are hatchmates the male could be carrying the gene hidden.
That's just a lot of birds from that line with the wrong genes. I'd guess you're right. The breeder probably was unaware her birds weren't pure.

 

[fluffycrow]

I take that back. Can't see if she has a single comb very clearly

 

[fluffycrow]

Pullet also appears to have yellow shanks.

Yup. And potentially no beard

 

[JesWith3]

Yes, both Easter Eggers. The boy would be a black with leakage, IMO. The pullet, not sure. She seems to have a single comb

So weird that a bird can come from purebred Ameraucanas and NOT be an Ameraucana lol I don't know that it'll ever make sense to me. I do not believe the seller was being deceitful, but I believe it's possible she was deceived and maybe believed what she has are pure Ameraucana ((shrug)) Oh well, I love them nonetheless. I just hope Barnaby carries two copies of the blue gene. Thank you for your input. Also, yes, Kisma definitely has a single row pea comb. She (?) and her brother Barnaby were hatched on the same day, but he is very much sexually mature, but she is not yet and she is also a smaller bird (I helped her from the shell and she is a bit of a runt that took a little more TLC, but is thriving now).

 

[JesWith3]

Yup. And potentially no beard

You are correct. The only one of her hatchmates. And though very SPARSE, she has the itty bittiest bit of muffs by her earlobes and that's it. I found that very odd.

 

[JesWith3]

Pullet also appears to have yellow shanks.

I wondered about that, too. She has the slightest bit of a "painting" of inky grey on the very tops that is hard to see unless you're looking. She's the weirdest one of the 8 I hatched. The only one with no beard and very little muffs by her earlobes. I did help this one hatch and she struggled to thrive for a while, but I doubt that had much to do with all of these things. I think the seller THOUGHT she was selling me "Pure Ameraucana" eggs, but was really selling "Americana" ((shrug))