Dominate White Mutation or Something Else?

[LoveOfFeathers]

I have this chick that came from a paint and black pair. I know it’s partridge colored. I’ve seen something about dominant white gene having mutations. So both my paint and my black have carry the eb (partridge) gene. Cock is Black but Carries both silver and gold. Hen is paint? This chick looks grey? Blue? Is this Smokey? Chick has light skin and eyes, slate legs with pink soles on feet and tan toenails. I’ll post pictures of parents and the chick in question.

Attached link so pictures are easier to see. Should’ve posted here first. https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/silkies-they’re-simply-spectacular.1334299/post-27442806

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Hen is on the left. On the right is a dominant white polish paint for color comparison.

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No idea what’s stuck to the rooster’s face
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Hen
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Rooster top right ( black one) Hen at bottom of photo.
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Rooster carries both silver and gene shown in his hackles.

Chick pictures
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Butt fluff and bottom of feet
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Showing down feathers
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Weird toenail color

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Full Paint sibling: feathers up close

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[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

This is late to the conversation, but I wanted to put this out there for consideration!

I've been working with silkied Cochins for a few years now and heard stories of this even before experiencing it. Silkied feathering can be super tricky with the blue dilution. I've heard more than one story of someone buying what they think are Black Silkies, only to find out they're actually Blue when they hatch Splash babies out of them. Many of my silkied Cochins are Blue, but dark enough that it's hard to tell they're Blue at first glance, to the point that, especially in my boys, some even have beetle green sheen. This is a group of my pullets from last year's hatches, both Blues and Blacks pictured, just as an example of how tough they can be to tell apart at times.

To my eye, especially in those closer pictures of him, I think your rooster is blue instead of black, and the chick in question is just, itself, blue as well.

 

[LoveOfFeathers]

Paint. Dark skin

black feather comparison

face

Crop

under wing

 

[LoveOfFeathers]

Black rooster, this was interesting

lite skin

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Face

Feet

Skin

Black feather comparison

 

[LoveOfFeathers]

This is late to the conversation, but I wanted to put this out there for consideration!

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.

I've been working with silkied Cochins for a few years now and heard stories of this even before experiencing it. Silkied feathering can be super tricky with the blue dilution. I've heard more than one story of someone buying what they think are Black Silkies, only to find out they're actually Blue when they hatch Splash babies out of them. Many of my silkied Cochins are Blue, but dark enough that it's hard to tell they're Blue at first glance, to the point that, especially in my boys, some even have beetle green sheen. This is a group of my pullets from last year's hatches, both Blues and Blacks pictured, just as an example of how tough they can be to tell apart at times.

There’s barely a difference in color, wow! So if any of my solid white growouts turns into splash then I’ll know for sure what color my hen is too. Yeah sometimes he looks darker and sometimes a little washed out but still has that green sheen. I’m going to grow this batch of misfits out, the hen took months to grow any spots. I love when a chicken has a feather pattern that is always changing.

I have a paint rooster that I’m going to try this year, unfortunately he has champagne leakage… one step at a time.

As for my black/ blue cockbird, I might just use him for a cross breed project, at least he has white skin. gotta laugh about somethings to keep from getting frustrated.

Funny side note, a few of my older serama pullets got bred by some hatchery quality silkie cockerels. Only three eggs are being sat on but at this point, why the cluck not! Worse case is they don’t hatch or I end up with an adorable satin with a small crest, stray leg feathers that carries a mottled gene.

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Your Cochins are absolutely beautiful. I love fluffy, fuzzy chickens!

To my eye, especially in those closer pictures of him, I think your rooster is blue instead of black, and the chick in question is just, itself, blue as well.

Thank you

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

*squints tryna work out which are blue*
Are there four in that picture?
I remember my blue Silkie being really dark too.
I don’t think she was quite that dark though.

7 Blues and 2 Blacks. The one center-right and the one at the lower right are the only Black ones in the picture.

 

[LoveOfFeathers]

I paired the two for breeding and the hen hadn’t been exposed to anyone else. Chick down color is what makes me think partridge and the light tics of gold on its feathers. Chick down looked like chick C. I also ended up with a red pyle chick from this pair of birds. “Breed chickens they said, it’ll be fun they said!” I was so shocked when these chicks hatched, I was expecting paint and black but ended up with a bag of skittles

 

[NatJ]

I paired the two for breeding and the hen hadn’t been exposed to anyone else...I was so shocked when these chicks hatched, I was expecting paint and black but ended up with a bag of skittles

Yes, that does sound like good reason to be sure of the parentage of the chicks.

When you say the hen hadn't been exposed to anyone else-- how long had it been?

Chick down color is what makes me think partridge and the light tics of gold on its feathers. Chick down looked like chick C.View attachment 3731954

That does sound like a good reason to think it's partridge. Yes, in that case each parent would be carrying the gene for partridge.

I also ended up with a red pyle chick from this pair of birds.

I wonder if it's partridge too, but with Dominant White instead of black. That would fit with the hen being paint (Dominant White gene).

For the chick you're mostly asking about (partridge by chick down, looks gray-ish), maybe it's just looking gray because of the mixture of colors in the feathers? If it had normal feathers, we could look at what pattern they are showing, but of course Silkie feathers just fluff all over instead of laying flat and showing nice patterns. And some patterned chickens have gray down at the base of the feathers, even when the visible part does not show any gray. The down would be more visible in a Silkie than in a chicken with the normal smooth feathers.

 

[LoveOfFeathers]

Hen has a dark cranberry colored comb, maybe due to dominant white gene?

 

[LoveOfFeathers]

When you say the hen hadn't been exposed to anyone else-- how long had it been?

She was with him before she ever laid her first egg and before that she was with two definite pullets.