Drained a Hen, First Time in Years....Removed 660 cc Yellow Fluid RIP, HOPE *GRAPHIC PHOTOS ADDED

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...we could have done more but she started to squirm and I told DH to stop. There was more in her, poor Hope, but this was only to make her more comfortable. Mind you, this will NOT save her because it's a chronic condition. She is a breeder quality Buff Orpington, first ever true breeder bird I've had this issue with. She is a huge framed hen, 3 1/2 years old, from the same stock my 6 year old Nugget came from. Haven't drained a hen since the days of Olivia and Ivy.

Hope only laid eggs for a couple of months and never laid again, then she began the cycle of bloating up, then it would subside, then it would be worse and I'd dig a grave for her, then she'd rally. This has been going on since she was a year and a half old. I've never seen anything like it, never seen a hen survive this long in this condition. I determined, from all my experience, not to give her antibiotics (did it the first time, but never again), not to drain her. But her body always took care of it until this last time. She has ZERO meat on her keel, but her abdomen was the size of a bowling ball and she could barely drag it around, but she's never lost her appetite, one reason we haven't put her down-she's still strong for some unknown reason. She is all bones, feathers and abdomen, yet keeps going and going and going.

Bought a 60 cc syringe and set out to give her some relief. She is not one to like to be held, but she leaned against my chest and closed her eyes and let us do it, only flinching when the needle broke the skin.Note, we leave the needle in place, removing the full syringe each time to squirt out the liquid into a jar, then reattach.

We drained 660 cc, 11 syringes full of this gunk, and only stopped when she began to stir a bit. This jar weighs 28 ounces. Poor Hope. She's trying to get her legs back under her after having them spread apart for so long. When she dies, I will do a necropsy to see why she has never laid more than a handful of eggs in her life, to see what's really in there. What a strong constitution this hen has to keep going this long, amazing. Any lesser bird would have died two years ago.

 
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This fluid is common in hens with reproductive failures, whether egg yolk peritonitis, internal laying or just reproductive cancer. Can also happen with congestive heart failure. Never heard of a ruputured stomach. To be honest, I'm skeptical of that diagnosis.
 
Yes, ma'am, it certainly was. She still walks dragging her feet so either she's just weak or there's quite a bit more in there, or maybe both. She's pretty tough to live with this condition (whatever is going on in there) as long as she has. When she passes, I will definitely open her up and see what the deal is. She never loses her appetite so when she does, I'll know she is truly dying!
 
Hope passed away tonight of a massive heart attack. She had two giant tumors (totaling over a pound), no other pathology, everything looked fine, no worms, no reproductive cancer apparent. RIP, big girl. You fought hard.
 
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Well, I was wrong-the two baseball sized tumors were the left lobe of the liver and they were reproductive tumors! A vet I consult who does know something about chickens as well as thoroughbreds checked out the necropsy photos. Her gallbladder was septic, not a shock at all in this situation, he said. Since she had barely started laying and stopped abruptly at less than a year old and this cycle had been going on for over two years, with no signs of eggs in the oviduct or abdomen, he said they have to go somewhere, since they are born with them already programmed in, so the backup of yolks and bacteria ended up growing in her liver, causing these huge tumors.

I did not want to post photos of the tumors until I had a handle on what they were--sorry if this sounds harsh, but I did not want a bunch of crazy guesses like you get in sex and breed. You know the ones, oh, no, it's Marek's! oh, no, it's Lymphoid Leukosis! Not every tumor is Marek's. Dr. Mason said that bacteria can circulate all through the body and where it lands, it can start tumors and of course, not all tumors are cancerous. These were just reproductive tumors in what I would call a very strange location-at least, I'd never seen any in the liver. Thanks to Dr. Mason for adding to my bank of knowledge! He was amazed that her intestines looked so great with what had been growing inside her for the past two years. And he concurred with my assessment that she died of a massive heart attack, that it just gave out on her under the strain.

So, WARNING!! GRAPHIC PHOTOS BELOW! For those science nuts like me who just have to see:









Heart and gizzard:

 
Thanks, all. Hope's case is why I say you can't really be sure what's going on inside, only guess. The same identical symptoms can be internal laying/egg yolk peritonitis or heart or liver failure. You can't know until you see inside, unfortunately.
 
Thank you. I know this won't save her, never had any delusions about that after what I've seen, but if she dies, at least she can breathe and she can stand up easier. Her heart isn't as taxed by all this excess fluid weighing her down.
 
We had the same symptoms in one of our little girls. We lost her today. The vet took an x-ray and told us her stomach had ruptured and was filling her belly with fluid. She was still eating but was getting hugely bloated.
 

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