thanks..we are very happy with her and her sister..I am going to show them in IABCA for sure,probably APRI,just cause I can and Jassy in AKC,,her grandsire on the bottm is CH UTOPIAS MEET JOE BLACK,her top side is all west german SchH with a little DDR mixed in,so the AKC judges may not like because of the strong influence of working line but we will see,the sable I will show in IABCA and APRI,not AKC,isnt even worth it to bring a sable dog to AKC breed show..many judges are way to color blind in AKC.