Hot composting with chicken bedding and garden waste

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The Token Finn
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Our chicken adventure began this spring, and now we have a flock of 9 chickens, aged 2 to 5 months. This began with building a coop and so on, and if you're interested in that, I have a story of the build in my coop page, you can find a link to it under my avatar.

Then on to the subject of this post. 9 chickens produce a fair amount of poop, and I'm strongly against just throwing such things away with mixed garbage, so I needed a way to dispose of the stuff neatly, and hopefully get something useful out of it. Here in Finland, it's pretty cold during winter, so a basic compost pile isn't really an option for anything else than breaking down leaves over the course of 5 years. What we use here, are hot composters. Basically just an insulated box that you compost in. Mine was finished about 5 weeks ago, and I'm absolutely in love with the process of composting, and I'd like to share a bit about the benefits of hot composting.

Here's a bried description of the composter I built for this task, if you're not interested in it's structure, you can just skip this paragraph. The measurements are about 90*90 centimeters, about 3ft*3ft. It's about a meter high. The bottom is 19mm hardware cloth layered with 7mm rodent netting, and it's open to the ground. The sides and lid are pine boards, as of yet unpainted, but they really do need a coat of paint. On the inside, the sides have 50mm of polystyrene insulation and the lid has 100mm of the stuff. There's a plastic tarp on the inside of this. On the bottom, there's a 75mm drainpipe that I've drilled full of holes to allow airflow, the ends are covered in the 7mm rodent netting. The upper half of the front is removable to allow for easy emptying and turning. In the middle there's a separator that divides the box into two equally large areas, one to be used at a time while the other one rests. It should hold about 600 liters of compost, or a bit over 20 cubic feet in total.

This picture is about a week after starting the compost.

Now you have a pretty good grasp of the compost I'm using. Then on to what we compost. Now, during summer time, the lawn grows pretty quickly, so we're mowing it quite a bit, and we like to give the clippings to the chickens. Every few weeks we empty the clippings from the run and throw them to the compost, along with any poop or left over food that's in there (We feed kitchen scraps by hiding them in the clippings for the chickens to scratch out). Every day, we clean from under the roosts, this results in a mix of poop, peat moss and pine shavings. We use a 2:1 mix of peat moss and pine shavings as bedding. All leftover food is fed either to the chickens or dogs, unless it's spoiled in which case it goes directly to the compost. Along with all this, any other garden scraps that aren't cycled through the run are composted.

As mentioned, we started composting 5 weeks ago. Every day when I take the spent bedding from cleaning under the roosts, I turn the compost a bit, so it's turned a lot more often than what people recommend. Because of the bedding, the stuff we add is pretty dry, so I wet the compost pretty heavily, both with water and to the displeasure of my better half, with a organic nitrogen rich liquid we humans produce ourselves. For the past few weeks, I've been having a constant steam going on in there. I haven't measured temperatures at the center, but I have a thermometer at the very top of the divider, and it's showing 10 degrees Celsius higher than the outside air constantly. So far, the level of the compost has stayed pretty nicely at half full and I'm only using one side of the compost, so this temperature is measured over a foot from the pile. Also, because the level isn't rising that much anymore, it means the decomposing is happening at the same rate as I'm adding stuff. Here is a picture of how the stuff is looking right now.

As you can see, the breakdown process is pretty far along, in just 5 weeks. The grass on top was added a few days earlier and mixed a bit with the previous compost.

Once the left side of the compost is full, I'm going to leave it to rest while the right side is filled. This should give it enough time to mature, and help contain moisture and heat inside the box during winter. Speaking of winter, composts freezing is a big issue around here, with -20deg C for weeks not being uncommon. I'm hoping that the level of activity added from the chicken manure will help keep the compost active throughout the colder season, but that remains to be seen. I'm a bit worried, because I won't be getting any nitrogen rich greens to add during that time. Hopefully kitchen waste will be enough.

One concern with composting edible things, is rodents and other critters. Our neighbor catches quite a few rats and mice, so they are present, but so far I've seen no signs of them around or in the compost, so the rodent netting seems to be doing it's job. Smells have not really been an issue either, other than if I go overboard with adding moisture. Then the compost will smell a bit bad for a few days, but it's only noticeable about 5 meters from the box. Too moist composts should be avoided anyway, because then the material will rot instead, and that is not desirable. You wan't an aerobic process to break everything down.

So, if you're looking for a efficient way to handle all that poop your little fuzzybutts put out, this is my suggestion. I'm thinking that in a warmer climate, the process will be even faster than what I've described here. And it will provide a good way to put that poop and spent bedding into use in your garden, instead of just tossing it.

I'll try to keep updating on the progress regularly, especially how it fares through the winter once we get there.
 
My husband would be thrilled if I gave him free reign to pee into the composters, of course they are right next to the road, so it might not be appreciated by the neighbors...
How else is a guy going to establish his territory? My dad always keeps a coffee can in his shop. I've learned over the years never to sneak up on him if his back is turned! BTW: 1 qt. yogurt containers make wonderful "female" urinals. Indispensible to have on a camping triP! If anyone is into hay or straw bale gardening, this special nutrient is a must to get the nitrification process going to age the bale so it doesn't cook your seedlings. In a pinch, you could go to the store and spend some money to buy a bottle of pure, unscented ammonia, or you could use some granular high N fertilizer. But why buy a product when you have a free superior product available right at home?
 
What specifically is his complaint about composting? Concern about odor, insects, rodents? Concern about a compost container messing up his landscaping? Tell us about your gardening, how much area does that take up? And assuming that you have chickens, how big is their run and coop area? If he doesn't want an outdoor compost area, perhaps he'd be happier if you kept a vermicompost bin in your kitchen??? Perhaps if you ask him for that, he'll see the wisdom in having an outdoor compost bin! A good bin needs to be a minimum of 3' x 3' x 3' in order to have enough mass to cook effectively. And a well managed pile does not smell! As a matter of fact, i'd venture a bet that the kitchen trash in many homes occasionally smells riper than a well managed compost pile! If he's dead set against a compost bin or pile, and you have enough garden space, can you spare a 3' wide bed? You can do sheet or trench composting right in the garden.
 
I have a tumbler, it works well but I have learned there is more to composting than just chucking stuff in.

Early on we had something in there that attracted flies, but once whatever it was broke down, we started to get good material from it. Almost no smell (unless the lid was open with your head over it).

Where it lacks is in capacity, it only holds so much, where a pile can be adjusted, grown and changed to suit needs, the barrel takes time to process a single batch.
 
It's a wise wife who plants the seed of an idea, waters it well, and waits until it germinates. You'll know that's happened when your better half comes up with yet an other brilliant idea: "Honey, I think our lives would be better if we had a compost bin!"

Seriously, if you're going to do some raised beds next year, start one now. Get some bales of hay or straw. Lay down newspaper or cardboard to cover the footprint of that raised bed. Then, layer your kitchen waste, followed by some hay or straw, more kitchen scrap, leaves, a shovel full of soil here and there, manure if you can get some, what ever you can get your hands on. Get that pile 2' tall, keep it a bit moist, cover it with plastic, let it cook for the winter, and you'll have a fantastic raised bed ready to go in the spring. If you want more instruction, check out the book titled "Lasagna Gardening" by ? Lanza.

Tell hubby that this is a tried and true gardening method, and it will save you lots of money by turning yard and kitchen debris into "to die for" soil, and your first garden veggies will grow so fast you'll be able to hear them!
 
just found this thread, very nice, I have wanted to compost but right now it is just some piles way out back that are sitting,getting added to and not being turned, may take a long time that way.
so, I was wondering if you turn with a pitch fork how do you keep from tearing your plastic?
The tarp only lines the sides. The bottom is open, with netting to keep rodents away, and I seldom hit the bottom anyway. I usually keep the pile against the back wall, but when I turn it, I first drag all of it to the front, with a downward facing movement. Then, when most of the pile is towards the front, I turn the stuff that was on the bottom around a bit, still trying to get most of it to the top front. All this I do with the concave side of the tines facing me, and pointy end straight down. I then turn it the other way, still pointy end straight down, but the convex side of the tines facing me, and from the very back I go straight down, and lift everything up a bit, moving about an inch towards me with every thrust, until I have the whole pile back in the back, and the top and bottom layers have mixed around a bit. So far the tarp has been keeping together pretty well, but I might have to replace it at some point. The tarp I use has a mesh laminated into the plastic, so it doesn't tare that easily. I do punch through occasionally, but since the insulation is polystyrene, which is biologically inert, it doesn't really matter that much.

I hope my description of my turning technique wasn't too confusing.
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And welcome to the thread.

By the way, if someone wants help designing a similar composter, I'd be happy to provide help with that. And if someone has built one already, I don't mind seeing a picture of that either.
 
Today was coop cleaning day. The left compartment of the compost was about half way full. I shoveled half of that into a wheelbarrow, and then we started layering spent bedding with the old compost back in there, wetting the layers in between. The whole left compartment was filled, so it will be interesting to see how quickly it decomposes.




There's a bit too much pine shavings in there for my liking, but we'll see how it progresses.
 
You can always continue to add your organic high nitrogen miracle liquid, or even give it a dose of unscented ammonia to help all that carbon break down! Loved your PC description of your high nitrogen additive!! It is a multi purpose gardener's friend: reputed to repel racoons, as well as give an instant boost to get the nitrogen cycle going for hay or straw bale gardening!
 
It seems to be working, as the only reports of raccoons in Finland are from zoos.

Yesterday evening, the temperature above the pile was 15 degrees C. I just checked the thermometer, and it has climbed to a whopping 29 degrees inside the box. This with outside temperature being 12 degrees. The pile has sunken about 5 cm from yesterday, but it's still too full for any turning. Before adding all the bedding, there was a slight odor coming from the compost, so I think it might have been a bit nitrogen heavy. Now with the introduction of the mainly carbon containing peat and pine shavings, it seems to have been balanced quite nicely. I think I won't add any nitrogen for a while, I'll just keep it moist with water. My better half will be happy with this, as she thinks the neighbors might not find my method of fertilizing too appealing.

If the pile keeps sinking, I might still add a bit to it, but I think it's soon time to let it rest for a while before emptying it out in a month or so. I'm still waiting for proper rains to come so that I can collect all the worms this would flush out from hiding and add them to or near the compost depending on it's temperature.

As I'm writing this, I'm fully aware of the absurdity of being so mesmerized by decomposing organic matter, but I'm sure there are others out there who have discovered the joys of composting as well. Feel free to offer encouragement, or critique. Helpful (and less so) suggestions are always welcome too. Or you can just call me a weirdo.
 

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