About 2 days ago, I noticed my Narraganset hen, about one year old and laying, has a prolapse about the size of a walnut. I have been really sick the past few days and have only been able to handle cleaning her up a bit with warm water, applying theracyn to the area and a little vasoline around the prolapsed area. I have also separated her, changed her feed and withheld calcium (so if she does lay the egg shells are softer) and placed her in a darker area…to attempt stopping her from laying. But, I have been doing a lot of reading while sick and people seem to have very different ideas about how to treat. So, I have some questions before attempting to treat her further/differently now. Is preparation H something to be used to shrink the prolapse for a day or two before pushing it back in? Is pushing it back in really safe to do and is there a ‘knack’ to it? (I have watched a few videos and no one really explains how they are pushing). How do I treat her afterwards…still keep her isolated for a day or two more….longer? Also, I read that a walnut size or smaller prolapse can potentially clear itself up….is that true…and if it is true…how long do you wait? Thanks so much. I don’t want to lose my hen Tilly…she is such a sweet girl. (I tried to get pictures but could not…I will try again, but I am alone and can’t hold her and get a decent shot).
Prolapse questions before treating
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I see a few issues with your train of thought - as well reasoned and intentioned as it was.
Calcium: calcium serves many physiological processes and not just building egg shells. It, along with other minerals like phosphorus is vital for the proper functioning of the oviduct, including the contractions during lay. I know the problem is prolapse but a soft shell is often the cause of egg binding which is an associated problem. A hard shell gives the muscles of the uterus something to push against to expel it. A soft shell egg just moves around and remains in the oviduct. Add to that, the fact that there is still enough calcium in the bloodstream and medullary bone to continue building egg shells for a surprisingly long time. All the time causing other problems, most notably depriving a hen producing eggs from new sources of calcium will continue to pull bone from its skeletal structure leading to rickets.
Furthermore, moving to a corn or all grain diet will also deprive the bird of necessary protein at this time not to mention other important trace minerals.
A better approach if you want her to not have to produce an egg shell is to force molt her. That primarily involves putting the bird in blackout housing until laying ceases. If done properly, it won't take long. Perhaps a week. That is quicker than removing calcium from the diet.
Force molting was a common practice for years in the egg industry. It was to take a flock (think millions of hens) that had begun to slow in their first lay cycle, cause them to all molt at once, rush them through the dearth of eggs and then after molt, resume a more natural light cycle causing all the birds to resume laying simultaneously.
In addition to dramatically decreasing the day length, they made dietary changes but off the top of my head I can't recall what those were. Personally, I was able to force molt small flocks simply with a day cycle change.
I don't know where you live, but I bet you are in the southern hemisphere since you have laying turkeys this close to winter solstice. Is that true?
I wouldn't think the prolapse could heal itself unless it gets pinched off, loses circulation, dies, dries up and falls off. That isn't as awful as it sounds. That kind of thing happens a lot in poultry and the animal world in general.
I hope all this helps and gives food for thought.
Calcium: calcium serves many physiological processes and not just building egg shells. It, along with other minerals like phosphorus is vital for the proper functioning of the oviduct, including the contractions during lay. I know the problem is prolapse but a soft shell is often the cause of egg binding which is an associated problem. A hard shell gives the muscles of the uterus something to push against to expel it. A soft shell egg just moves around and remains in the oviduct. Add to that, the fact that there is still enough calcium in the bloodstream and medullary bone to continue building egg shells for a surprisingly long time. All the time causing other problems, most notably depriving a hen producing eggs from new sources of calcium will continue to pull bone from its skeletal structure leading to rickets.
Furthermore, moving to a corn or all grain diet will also deprive the bird of necessary protein at this time not to mention other important trace minerals.
A better approach if you want her to not have to produce an egg shell is to force molt her. That primarily involves putting the bird in blackout housing until laying ceases. If done properly, it won't take long. Perhaps a week. That is quicker than removing calcium from the diet.
Force molting was a common practice for years in the egg industry. It was to take a flock (think millions of hens) that had begun to slow in their first lay cycle, cause them to all molt at once, rush them through the dearth of eggs and then after molt, resume a more natural light cycle causing all the birds to resume laying simultaneously.
In addition to dramatically decreasing the day length, they made dietary changes but off the top of my head I can't recall what those were. Personally, I was able to force molt small flocks simply with a day cycle change.
I don't know where you live, but I bet you are in the southern hemisphere since you have laying turkeys this close to winter solstice. Is that true?
I wouldn't think the prolapse could heal itself unless it gets pinched off, loses circulation, dies, dries up and falls off. That isn't as awful as it sounds. That kind of thing happens a lot in poultry and the animal world in general.
I hope all this helps and gives food for thought.
Based on my experience, I have not seen any posts about successful recovery from prolapse in turkeys. I have seen a reported temporary recovery with subsequent recurral.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/a-century-of-turkey-talk-2000-2100.966414/post-17852767
Given an option, I'd follow advice from @R2elk regarding turkeys.
That said, from what I've learned about prolapse and similar maladies whether cloacal, vaginal or rectal in all species is to use lubrication and push it back in. It sometimes requires a suture or two. I know a number of people have used Preparation H but even Vaseline will work after carefully cleaning the affected area. I wouldn't hesitate to use any product delivering lubrication as long as I wasn't introducing bacteria from a dirty environment.
That said, from what I've learned about prolapse and similar maladies whether cloacal, vaginal or rectal in all species is to use lubrication and push it back in. It sometimes requires a suture or two. I know a number of people have used Preparation H but even Vaseline will work after carefully cleaning the affected area. I wouldn't hesitate to use any product delivering lubrication as long as I wasn't introducing bacteria from a dirty environment.
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Ok. Thanks for that. Does your experience also involve veterinarian intervention? Taking her has crossed my mind….but I will be worried about the expense and success rate in that instance too.
Sorry about your hen. Unfortunately the prognosis for recovery is very poor.
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Thank you.
Taking her to a vet will be very expensive. It will likely involve suturing the prolapse in place and may require the implant that prevents egg laying. After all of that there is no guarantee that she will survive.
Sorry about your situation.
The use of sugar on the prolapse can reduce the swelling by osmotically pulling out fluid from the tissue, thus decreasing the edema. Apply sugar, wait 15 minutes and see if the swelling goes down enough for the prolapse to reduce on its own or with gentle pressure.
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Hi there! I was at a bit of a loss and disappointed at getting no response. So…Thanks so much for your reply…and I am so sorry your hen is dealing with prolapse. It is nice to know, from your reply, that it was, in fact, prolapse Tilly had. I am SO happy to say she is fine! And thank you for asking. To stop her from laying, I kept her separate from the flock during the day in a dimly lit (not dark) small 8x12 indoor area attached to the shelter all the turkeys have access to… (and often put another smaller hen she gets along well with in with her) and let her roost with everyone each night. Each day…I soaked her in warm water and epsom salt, and rotated (treating her 3 times each day) raw/unpasteurized honey and an antibiotic ointment. I believe the honey was the real key for shrinking the prolapse. I used it generously and applied it 2ce each day…only after she was clean in that area and always prior to roosting. After one week I wasn’t even sure it was prolapse any more…but continued to treat her for a few more days with just the honey (when I saw the effects) to be certain she was well. I also think I caught it real early and started treating right away. I just wanted to tell you that in case it could help you with treating your hen. I sure hope she does well. I continue to keep a special watch over Tilly to make sure it doesn’t occur again. This is mating season and she is laying…so it is a bit of a worry. Let me know how your little one does and I will pray for her quick recovery. Thanks again.
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