sizzle, frizzle, and frazzle???

[arad2586]

Ahh soo confusing and hard to tell on some of them! I hope we will be able to tell some apart pretty soon but they just started hatching Memorial Day weekend. We have a while silkie rooster with his white silkie hen

And he's also mated with our white frizzle

Some we can tell are the frizzle's babies because of yellow legs like this one who's wings are starting to fluff out

And some like this one that might be full silkie

This is our first go around with breeding them and have at least 15-20 chicks we will be looking to sell hopefully. We have 2 more white and 2 splash silkies not yet old enough to breed yet but will hopefully make some pretty birds!

 

[howfunkyisurchicken]

Frizzled Sizzles and Silkies

 

[mom of silkies]

Frizzled Sizzles and Silkies

They're adorable!

 

[Swils]

Hi, I'm new to BYC site and I'm having trouble determining the sex of my 6-7 month old sizzle. I have a partridge Silkie hen who began laying a month ago and she is the same age as my sizzle. But the sizzle hasn't laid or crowed. I would post a photo but not sure how yet. My sizzle has a low profile dark colored comb, no wattles, large rounded crest. I've looked for streamers but with the way they curl forward it's hard to tell. Same with the hackle feathers. They curl up toward the head so much that I call her/him Tulip. She/he has no interest in laying boxes and doesn't show any aggressiveness or cockiness with the others. Just sorta does his/her own thing. Any ideas? I"ll try to figure out how to load a photo.

 

[Swils]

This is my sizzle in question. Pullet or cockerel?

 

[Tashaf]

Question:
I have frizzle chicks that have straight feathered wings and the feathers above the wings are frizzle looking. What will it be? Can they turn out half straight feathered and half frizzles feathered???

Do double frizzled chickens have skinny feathers?? Do the chicks have feathers that look like some of the feathers are cut straight off??

 

[lynly444]

Thank you I'm starting a new flock and was and I think starting silkies,Polish,Cochin sizzles to start with and just buy my next round for the further what kind a roo is calm cuddle nice to his girls and good with these breeds

 

[lynly444]

Then some Easter eggers different colors and some more silkies part 2 forgot this part of my last message

 

[Glenda Heywoodo]

What Makes a Good Frizzle?


By Glenda Heywood



When you are in the market for a good breeder to make Frizzles out of do this:
BUY THE BEST STRAIGHT FEATHERED BIRD THAT IS THE BREED YOU ARE MAKING.

Then get one of the best Frizzles you can find. I use the Frizzle in the cock bird
and the straight feather in the hen. This will work with most any breed.

If you are making Cochins that is easy as you find the color variety and the
best stock according to the qualities of the Cochin breed.
You will need good type on both of the birds you are using.

I never recommend that one uses Frizzle to Frizzle except
maybe the first time if this is all that you can find for the original breeding stock.

Try and get two to three hens that are related to each other or get three unrelated females and an unrelated male.
If this is the case use single mateings and have three pens of unrelated eggs.

Putting the cock bird in each pen on the 2rd day for pen 1 and on the 3rd day for pen 2 and on the 4th day for pen three.

Then as the week starts all over do the same. The hens need the cock bird every 4th day.

When that first year is done you will need to toe punch the baby chicks as they come from the hatcher,
writing down what toe punch is from which pen -- #1,#2,#3.

Then when they are old enough to put color ring bands on them do so and you will always be able to recognize them on sight.
Make sure the bands are loose enough and not too tight for their legs so as to shut off the circulation.
[Editor's comment: Jiffy wing bands are even better as they don't slip off so you have a lifetime record of the bird.]


Now when the 2nd year comes you will have several families to make from the matings.
Cock over pullets from #1 pen, or over pullets from #2 or #3 pens.

The hen with cockerels from #1 pen to pullets of #2 pen and on thru the amount of offspring
you have from pens #1,#2,#3, each mated to a cockerel or pullet from other pen matings.
As long as you do this there will be no need to introduce new blood lines for many years.

Keep the listings of the pen matings in a book to see what you mated to what in what year. Each mating has different toe punches.


Now, if you are making Rock Frizzles or Polish Frizzles or Jap Frizzles: Take a good Frizzle cock of the breed and mate it to a good smooth female.
If you can't find the clean-legged single comb variety you are making, you may have to start with a hen or cock from another breed,
say Cochin Frizzle cock to a Rock hen. You will only use the Cochin Frizzle one year.

You will have to keep a good frizzle cock out of the cross and mate it back to the Rock hen.
The reason being is that the Cochin is feather-legged. This trait needs to be recessive and will be if used only once.
If used more than one year it will become dominent and you will pull stubs for the rest of the time breeding,

if you are to show these birds. Stubs are a disqualification and you don't want that.
Always look for stubs in your clean-legged birds, when showing them. This trait pops up every
so many years. Many feather-legged birds were used in making Frizzles.
Also the body type of the Cochin & Rock are not the same.

Buy a good ABA Standard or APA Standard if you don't have one.
The standards will give you the information that each breed type needs
Thus the birds you are trying to breed to the breed type is in the standard.

The continuation of Frizzle breeding is exciting as the goal is to have the head feathers as heavy
as you can and the little Cochin Frizzle look like a "Mum flower" when finished.

The neck should show a good quantity of wide curled feathers towards the head.
Also the body of the bird needs good heavy dense feathering with wide width.
If too narrow, the bird's feathers will appear to be wispy and thin.

Thus, the reason for not breeding Frizzle to Frizzle: It causes the bird to have less feather follicles
and thus will cause the bird to come out with a dozen feathers and be bald over the body and
intolerant of the sun or the cold weather. Curlys are a no-no in the Frizzle breeding.

Frizzle breeding is simple: use the smooth half-Frizzle pullets that come out each year.
Use a good male Frizzle on these smooth half-Frizzle females and you have the battle won,
as far as it goes for keeping good curl on the head feathers and the body feathers.

When breeding the single comb Rock, or Jap Frizzles it is simple: use this same method,
using the half-Frizzle smooth females with a good Frizzle male.

Show or sell the Frizzle birds not needed in the matings of the next year.
Don't let those half-Frizzle females go. I am not a lover of the cock bird being the smooth.
It never worked as well in my over 2 decades of breeding them.
I find the male is the best Frizzle breed type
and the best type needs to be seen in the hens.

The male line is of importance as the male throws good fertility and
the female makes the color and type permanent in the breeding of chickens.

The male has to come from a good typed bird line also. But your females make the breeding possible.
The short-backed females mated to a true typed frizzle male will always throw the right length of back
on the cockerels for breeding or showing.
Long-backed females make long-backed males and will thus stretch the breed type out too far
and soon you have many birds not worth keeping.
Watch what good typy females in the breeding can do for you.

 

[Glenda Heywoodo]

Glenda Heywood
here is a picture of a extreme frizzle or as some call them frazzle
you can see by the picture it has no feathers down its back and never will.
it is a result of breeding frizzle to frizzle tooooo many times.
It will breed the feathers clear off the bird.
Also when the bird molts it will have less feathers and the feathers become brittle and break off.
Basically it can't take the heat or the cold and needs to be culled as soon as you can tell its condition.


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Tee-hee! The post subject makes me laugh.
I'm hoping and hoping and praying that my frizzle isn't a boy. We'll keep him anyway, but it's easier to keep one rooster rather than two, and we have a cute Polish cockerel. How can I choose between the two? Anyway, here are pictures of "her".

-Laura
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