Sour Crop CURED with Monistat
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That's what I would do. 1ml per 5 pounds for five days. Get me all of there weights and I'll figure out the doses if you want. You can find Safeguard liquid for goats in the goat/cattle section of Tractor Supply. Ignore the dosing on the bottle, it's for goats and goats get *way* less per pound than poultry. Don't ask me why, lol, they just do.
-Kathy
- Jun 24, 2010
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One thing I would like to state on the subject of Monistat use! . I'm glad the Monistat worked for you but after 2 Yrs. of research & trial/error on Fungus in Crops I was informed by 2 Bird Experts that the Monistat contains Chemicals that are Toxic to the Chicken. I'm a Medical Asst. & Hard Headed. I wouldn't give up on my 2 even when multiple drugs INC. Monistat Didn't Work! My "Avian Vet" with 30+ Yrs. of Experience said to me "YES they tested + for Fungal but you have tried Fluconazole & Itraconazole so if it was still Fungal the Itraconazole should have worked" ITRACONAZOLE JUST LIKE FLUCONAZOLE IS CHEMICALLY MADE/COMPONDED(ESPEC. THE ITRACONAZOLE). IF THE PH IS NOT RIGHT THE DRUG IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE & DEGRADES FASTER. I WON'T GO INTO THAT NIGHTMARE BUT JUST A THOUGHT BEFORE YOU CONSIDER IT. I asked My AVIAN VET about Nystatin. She said "Oh that is over used & Most Fungal Strains have built a tolerance to it. I was mad at first after spending almost $250 between vet visits & cost of Drugs. After my "13YO" Died as a result of the Vet Disagreeing with me when I insisted that she also had a MOBILE Object in her Crop that was separate from the stable lumps that were in the crop WALL. NOT BRAGGING BUT SHE WAS WRONG ON A FEW THINGS & I ENDED UP BEING RIGHT IN THE END INC. A CANCER DIAGNOSIS(TUMOR) ON ONE WHICH I ASKED "SURE ITS NOT PERITONITIS? PER NECROPSY GUESS WHAT IT WAS!
IN SHORT When my Baby decided to starve herself & passed Instead of taking her to USDA POULTRY DIVISION AT UC DAVIS (Who also had failed me IN SHORT) I cut a sm. hole in the Crop. Out popped a Sm. Rock that had got encased with Crop Wall Tissue which allowed the Fungus to attach itself!!! I Only Wish I would have seen the Videos on Crop Surgery on You Tube I probably could have saved her. MY POINT IN SHARING "SOME" OF THIS IS DON'T ALWAYS ASSUME THE VET IS RIGHT. FIRST OFF YOU CAN GET NYSTATIN WITHOUT A SCRIPT!!! "ALLBIRDS.COM" HAS SMALLER CANISTERS(DECENT PRICE COMPARED TO OTHER SITES) & "LADY GOUDIAN FINCH HAS THE LARGER "
MY SUGGESTION ON USE "IF" YOU CHOOSE TO TRY THIS IS TO GET ORGANIC COCONUT OIL & LIGHTLY COAT YOUR SEED MIX. I HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND USING ONLY SAFFLOWER SEED FOR NUTRITION UNTIL THEY GET OVER THE HUMP. THE CARBS FEED THE PROBLEM(CORN/PELLET IS BAD). DON'T USE VITAMINS THAT CONTAIN SALTS OR ELECTROLYTES. THIS ALLOWS THE FUNGAL MASS TO TAKE IN WATER & FOOD EASIER. MINE REFUSED TO DRINK THEM OR EAT OYSTER SHELL DUE TO SALT!
YOU WANT TO "LIGHTLY COAT WITH OIL JUST SO YOU GET A SHINY EXTERIOR & NOT STICKING TOGETHER. THE COCONUT HAS AN ING. CALLED CAPRYLLIC ACID WHICH ONLY KILLS BAD BACTERIA!!! THEN LIGHTLY SPRINKLE WITH NYSTATIN POWDER(CONSULT/ USE THE GOUDIAN FINCHES INSTRUCTIONS THE OTHER CO. WAS WRONG BY TELLING ME TO ADD IT TO WATER FOR "CROP FUNGUS".
YOU CAN ALSO TRY "SOLGAR BRAND CAPRYLLIC ACID TABS " TAKE A SHARP KNIFE & SCRAPE OFF THE THIN PAPERLIKE SHINY EXTERIOR. REASON :THIS ACTUALLY HAS A SUGAR BASE IN IT! MINE PREFERRED IT IN SMALL LITTLE PIECES. THERE IS ONE SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT STATE TO POWDER & SPRINKLE OF FOOD. I DID TRY THIS BUT THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO LIE THAT OR MOISTENING THE PELLET OR CRUMBLE. IT DOES HAVE A BURNING AFFECT SO IN CRUMBLES IT HAD A MORE DIRECT SHOT TO THE CROP & THEN AFTER ABOUT 5 MIN i WOULD MASSAGE. WHAT I ALSO LEARNED THE HARD WAY WAS THE CARBS FROM THE PELLET/CRUMBLE WERE STILL FEEDING THE FUNGUS!!! IT GETS STUCK IN THE SLIME DEPOSITS LEFT BEHIND(IN SHORT & THEN IT STARTS BUILDING AGAIN) IF YOU HAVE A "LARGE MASS" IN THE CROP YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF PATIENCE. THE ONE BAD THING ABOUT THIS SITUATION IS THAT THE CAPRYLLIC ACID WILL IN FACT MELT THE MASS BUT IT TURNS TO A SLIME. IT IS TOO MUCH FOR THE CHICKEN TO PROCESS OUT WITH "LARGE" MASSES "LIGHTLY" MASSAGING THE CROP WILL HELP. THE SLIME WILL RISE ABOVE THE FOOD!!! TO HELP THE HEN(THIS IS FOR 4-7LB RANGE) USE 1/4TH OF A "TABLET" OF CVS'S/LONGS GENERIC 200MG. IBUPROFIN TAB" THIS WAS PROBABLY THE BEST INFO. I GOT FROM MY AVAIN VET BESIDES THE CULTURES SHOWING THAT IN FACT IT WAS FUNGAL! I WOULD ACTUALLY WIPE OFF THE EXTERIOR ORANGE OR BROWN COATING WITH A LIGHTLY MOIST PAPER TOWEL(AGAIN SUGAR BASED & WAX). THE IBUPROFIN HELPS WITH REGURGITATION & HELPS THE HENS INTESTINES TO RELAX SOME BECAUSE PASSING ALL THE CRAP WILL CAUSE SWELLING/STRESS. STRESS IS YOUR WORST ENEMY WITH CROP FUNGUS!!!!. YOU MAY SEE YOUR HENS COMB TURN SLIGHTLY BLUE OR HEAD SNAPPING!
ALSO NYSTATIN CAN TOLERATE ACIDS. IN ADDITION CROP FUNGUS IS CONTAGIOUS. IF YOUR STUPID VET TRIIES TO TELL YOU DIFFERENT LIKE MINE UH HELLO! WHEN THE HEN REGURGITATES IT GETS ONTO DROPPED I HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH NYSTAIN & IF YOUR LUMP IS THE SIZE OF A PEA(USUALLY LOCATED ON THE"BOTTOM" RIGHT SIDE OF THE CROP WALL) THEN THE CAPRYLLIC OR NYSTAIN IS A GOOD OPTION BUT STILL LIGHTLY MASSAGE. IF YOUR HEN IS OLDER & THE CROP SAGS YOU MAY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT A CROP BRA. I HAD TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE RESIDUALS OF THE MELTED FUNGUS KEPT LEAVING DEPOSITS ON THAT SIDE & IN SHORT IT WOULD START TO TRY TO COME BACK AGAIN. I ACTUALLY HAD TO ATTACH A THIN ROPE & PULL IT ACROSS THE CHEST & TIE IT OFF TO THE BACK KNOT WHERE I HAD THE CROP BRA TIED(SORT OF A CROSS YOUR HEART BRA AFFECT) THE OBJECTIVE IS TO GET THE CROP TO BE MORE CENTERED WHICH ALLOWS THE GUNK TO FIND ITS WAY TO THE OPENING EASIER & ALLOW THE MEDICINE TO COAT ALL AREAS. I PERSONALLY HAD ABOUT A 75% SUCCESS RATE WITH JUST NYSTAIN BUT I WAS DEALING WITH A LUMP ON 1 HEN THE SIZE OF A LARGE OVAL BEAN. THE 75% WAS "AFTER" I IMPLEMENTED THE BRA(SHE IS AROUND 5YO) I THEN DID MORE & MORE RESEARCH. I WAS AT MY BREAKING POINT STRESS WISE,LOSS OF PATIENCE & $$$.
I WAS TOO VESTED & WASN'T READY TO GIVE UP YET. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT SAFFLOWER SEED IS IT HAS MUCH LOWER CARBS,CONTAINS A BENEFICIAL OIL & SWELLS NICE. THIS SWELLING/ABSORPTION IS IMPORTANT WITH DRAWING UP THE NASTIES,SNUFFING OUT THE FUNGUS. ANOTHER NOTE "THE LIGHT MASSAGING IS ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE YEAST ALSO THRIVES ON AIR & STARTS RELEASING GAS WHICH PLAYS INTO THE REGURGITATION . IT "TRIES" TO CREATE IN A SENSE A POCKET FOR ITSELF. IF YOU DON'T MASSAGE & HANG AROUND YOU WILL START TO HEAR AIR NOISES COME FROM THE CHICKENS MOUTH & IN SHORT THIS CAUSES STRESS. YOU CAN HELP REDUCE THE STRESS BY JUST TAKING A FEW MOMENTS TO DO THIS.
NOW I WILL SHARE WHAT I DISCOVERED NOT ONLY BY READING BUT A FLUKE!!! I HAVE A SMALL BLACKBERRY BUSH IN MY DRIVEWAY. I CAUGHT THE HEN JUMPING & TRYING TO EAT THE BERRIES. AT FIRST I FREAKED BECAUSE EVERY DARN VEGI THAT WAS SUGGESTED FOR THIS. THEY ALL HAVE TOO MUCH WATER.SUGAR,OR SALT!. THIS ONLY FED THE FUNGUS!!!
AFTER ALMOST 2 YRS. OF THIS CRAP I HAVE LEARNED THAT CHICKENS KNOW FOR THE MOST PART WHAT THEY NEED. OBVIOUSLY STILL OPEN TO TEMPTATION LIKE ANY ANIMAL BUT I HAD TO LOOK AT THE COMPONENTS OF THIS BERRY. COME TO FIND OUT IT HAS ACIDS SUCH AS SALCYLLIC(USED IN FACIALS TO "BREAK DOWN" DEAD SKIN CELLS BUT OF COURSE THAT HAS HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS). IT ALSO CONTAINS NATURAL ANTI FUNGAL COMPONENTS. NOW I DID TRY BRAGGS APPLE CIDER RAW VINEGAR BEFORE BUT ON PRIOR IT HAD CAUSED DISTRESS/BLUE COMB. I "THINK" THIS WAS DUE TO TOO MUCH YEAST PASSING & THEN AT THOSE LOW DOSE INSTRUCTIONS WASN'T ENOUGH TO OVERTAKE THESE BAD STRAINS. THE ACV AT THE RECOMMENDED DOSES IS MORE FOR PREVENTION OR LIGHT CASES.
I WENT & PICKED A BUNCH OF BERRIES THAT STILL HAD A LITTLE RED TO THEM(SOFT BUT NOT QUITE RIPE). THE REASON WAS TO GET A LOWER SUGAR CONTENT & HIGHER ACID). I LAID 75% IN A CONTAINER ON STRIPS OF PAPER TOWEL TORN INTO SMALL 2X3's (APROX) & AVOID STACKING. I THEN TOOK A FEW PIECES OF PAPER TOWEL & LAIID THEM IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FREEZER BAG & ADDED ABOUT 20-25 OR SO BERRIES. I PLACED THAT IN A PLASTIC GROC. BAG IN MY FRIG. & LEFT THEY BAGS CRACKED (THEY WILL ROTT/TURN FASTER IF YOU SEAL & YOU DON'T WANT THAT!). NOW THE ACIDS WILL QUICKLY START BREAKING DOWN THE BERRIES. YOU MAY WANT GLOVES IF YOU GET PURPLE STAINED FINGERS.
GET YOURSELF A NICE SOMEWHAT THICK GLASS CONTAINER(SO IT DOESN'T CRACK). YOU WILL BE TAKING APROX. 1 CUP OF WATER & THEN YOU WILL TAKE YOUR LITTLE PAPER TOWELS SOAKED WITH BERRY JUICE(USE DECENT QUALITY TOWELS DUE TO LINT/DURABILITY). YOU ARE GOING TO SQUEEZE THE JUICE INTO YOUR WATER. I PERSONALLY WAS AROUND A 60/40 MIX(60 BEING JUICE) BUT THIS PART IS PARTIALLY OPEN TO EXPERIMENTATION. I THEN ADDED 1 CAP FULL OF THE BRAGGS APPLE CIDER VINEGAR(I DID BUMP UP SLIGHTLY OVER TIME SINCE THEY SEEMED TO TOLERATE & WANTED MORE). TOU CAN ONLY SCALE THIS BY OBSERVING. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD A LITTLE WATER OR JUICE IF THE CHICKEN DOESN'T GO CRAZY FOR IT. I ADDED THE VINEGAR NOT ONLY TO UP THE ACID BUT I READ THAT THE VINEGAR NOT ONLY HAS CALMING COMPONENTS BUT ALSO LOWERS BLOOD SUGAR IN HUMANS. THIS BREW CAN BE REFROZEN & RE-USED A FEW TIMES. AFTER THAT I FILTER OUT AT LEAST 75% DUE TO ANY POSSIBLE REMAINING BACTERIA(AGAIN I'M DEALING WITH BAD STRAINS). IF YOU CAN'T BE AROUND TO GIVE A FEW TIMES A DAY MY BEST ADVICE IS TO LEAVE IT ON A GOOD ICE PACK THAT WILL STAY FROZEN FOR AWHILE.
I THEN STIRRED & PLACED IN THE FREEZER! WHEN IT GOT ABOUT 30% FROZEN I PULLED IT OUT & TOOK A FORK & MADE MORE OR LESS MADE IT SLUSH LIKE . I THEN LAID IT ON AN ICE PACK. I ALSO PUT 5-6 BERRIES IN SEPARATE BOWLS (JUST "VERY SLIGHTLY" SQUISH TO JUST START THE BREAKDOWN /EASIER TO SWALLOW). I EVEN AT ONE POINT DABBED MY FINGER IN TINY AMTS. OF STRAIGHT ACV & JUST LIGHTLY TOUCHED A FEW BERRIES WITH THAT WET FINGER. I WOULD SQUEEZE A VERY SM. AMT. OF JUICE IN THE BERRY BOWL & ONE I DABBED THE BERRIES I STIRRED IT JUST SO THE BERRIES HAD A COAT OF STRAIGHT JUICE( DO NOT "MASH"!!!) AGAIN THIS IS OPEN TO EXPERIMENTATION I'M SHARING WHAT I DID! NOW I ONLY HAVE 2 LEFT WITH THE PROBLEM SO YOU WILL HAVE TO ADJUST IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLES. RULE OF THUMB :YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD BUT NOT TAKE AWAY! OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A SEPARATE BOWL FOR EACH BUT THE HIGH ACIDS SHOULD BE KILLING OFF THE MAJORITY. THEY SPENT 10 MIN THEIR "FIRST" TIME BITING AT THE SLUSH & EVEN WERE TRYING TO PULL PIECES OUT & SWALLOW THE CHUNKS OF BERRY-ACID ICE. THE COLD SHRINKS THE MASS & THEN THE ACIDS HIT IT(I THOUGHT THIS WAS PRETTY DARN SMART MYSELF!) THEY ALSO WANTED THE SIDE OF STRAIGHT BERRIES. THEY WERE BREWING UP THEIR OWN PERSONAL ACID FLURRY IN THEIR CROPS!!!
I STILL LEFT WATER IN A PLASTIC CONTAINER(4 -5 CUPS) WITH A CAP FULL OF VINEGAR ADDED BUT THEY WON'T DRINK IT. THEY ARE JUST NOW TOUCHING IT A LITTLE & SEEM TO ONLY WANT THE BERRY ACID MIX!!!
IT HAS TAKEN 2 WEEKS FOR ME WITH THIS(NO NYSTATIN INVOLVED) & THEY ARE 95% RECOVERED!!!
IN CLOSING CHECK YOUR ROOF ON YOUR HEN HOUSE/BOTTOM WHERE FLOOR MEETS IF WOOD. I HAD A RECENT CONSULT WHERE THE LADY FOUND MOLD IN BETWEEN THE WALL BASE/FLOOR. SHE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL SHE KNELT DOWN & WAS CATCHING WHIFFS. MY ROOF WAS NEW BUT BUILT INCORRECTLY BY ANOTHER PARTY!. IN SHORT I HAD MY SUSPICIONS BECAUSE IT HAD DRIPPED A FEW TIMES(WHICH I DID PATCH) BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THE MOLD WAS HIDDEN BY THE SHINGLES. I WOULD CURE THEM WITH ACTUAL ANTIBIOTICS(LA 200 INJ. I DON'T RECOMMEND THIS AFTER WHAT I HAVE LEARNED. WHICH HAD A DRYING AFFECT) BUT THEN I NOTICED A FEW WEEKS LATER IT WOULD START ALL OVER AGAIN. WITH NO HELP FROM THE DARN UCD CULTURES/NECROPSIES I GOT SO MAD & CRAWLED UP & CUT THE WHOLE CTR OUT. WHEN I RIPPED THE TILES BACK THERE IT WAS A WHOLE CARPET OF WHITE FUZZY MOLD. THERE WERE EVEN A FEW SMALL BLK. SPOTS ON THE UNDERSIDE ON THE OVERHANG THAT I DIDN'T SEE ON PRIOR! I REPAIRED IT QUICK BUT THEY JUST KEPT PASSING THE PROBLEM BETWEEN THEM. I KNOW PART OF THE KEY WAS THE OLD ONE HAVING THAT FUNGUS COVERED ROCK THAT SHE COULDN'T PASS. WELL I HOPE THIS CAN HELP SOMEONE. I ALWAYS LIKE TO PUT THE REASONING BEHIND WHAT I POST BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME. I CAN ADVISE ON YOUR "SPECIFIC" SITUATION. I HAVE ALREADY DONE A FEW CONSULTS ON HERE & ENJOY HELPING OTHERS THROUGH A STRESSFUL HEARTBREAKING EXPERIENCE.
JUST REMEMBER TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM CORN BASED FOOD & CARBS. CORN IS THE WORST & OF COURSE ANYTHING STARCHY. THERE IS "1" NEW FOOD OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE I CONSULTED TOLD ME ABOUT BUT SHE LIVES IN FL. THIS HAS MORE OF A SOY BASE BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN YET. FORGET THE PROBIOTICS FOR NOW BECAUSE THE ACIDS WILL KILL THEM. IF YOU WANT TO TRY & INTRODUCE THEM ONCE THEY ARE WELL I HIGHLY RECOMMEND "LACTOSE FREE" ORGANIC PLAIN GREEN VALLEY KIEFER" A TSP IN FOOD EVERY COUPLE DAYS FOR A WEEK SHOULD GET THEM GOING. CHICKENS ARE LACTOSE INTOLERANT & THE LACTOSE TURNS TO SUGAR!!! STAY AWAY FROM THE DARN YOGURT IT HAS LACTOSE & HIGHER SUGAR!!! ( PER VOLUME THE KIEFER HAS MUCH LESS SUGAR 7G PER CUP OF THE SPECIFIC GREEN VALLEY KIEFER NOW LOOK AT THE PLAIN YOGURT LABEL!).
IF IT WASN'T FOR AN OLDER MAN AT THE FEED STORE TELLING ME HOW MUCH HIS BIRDS LOVED THE SAFFLOWER SEED I WOULD STILL BE IN MISERY. I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING TO IT & I WAS RIGHT. I DID TRY OTHER SEEDS BUT THE CARBS WERE TOO HIGH & IT WAS CAUSING ROLLER COASTER RIDE RESULTS.
NOTE: I'M PRETTY SCIENTIFIC & I JUST WENT OUT TO CHANGE OUT THE PLAIN WATER TUB THAT I PUT ACV IN(AS MENTIONED STRONGER THAN BASIC INSTRUCTIONS). I NOTICED THESE CLEAR SEMI HARD-JELL LIKE BUBBLES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLASTIC CONTAINER(8-10). I CAREFULLY DRAINED THE WATER & ACTUALLY SCRAPED ONE & PLACED IT & EXAMINED WITH A 10XS. I WAS SHOCKED! EACH SCRAPPING SEEMED TO HAVE A SM. STRAND OF APPLE IN IT! AS i FELT THE TEXTURE IT HIT ME. THE HEN DRANK SOME & DEPOSITED SOME FUNGUS IN THE WATER. THE DAM FUNGUS LATCHED ON & FASTENED ITSELF TO THE BOTTOM IN THIS SLIMY BUBBLE!!!!
THIS JUST RE-ENFORCES MY OBSERVATIONS ON CARBS/SUGAR! SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE APPLE CRAP OUT WHEN I USE THE VINEGAR"PERSONALLY" & RAISE UP THE VINEGAR SOME MORE IN THE VINEGAR WATER MIX.
ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY CONTAGIOUS THROUGH FEED/WATER BUT ALSO BEING TOO CLOSE ON THE ROOST!!! BELIEVE ME OR NOT BUT WHEN IT GETS IN THE MOUTH I PRESUME IT BECOMES AIRBORNE. IT WAS A BATTLE AT FIRST TO TRY & SEPARATE THE ROOSTER FROM THE HEN BUT THEY HAD TO LEARN ON THEIR OWN. THEY NOW SIT OPPOSITE OF EACH OTHER & SPACE THEMSELVES A BIT. PICKING UP THE YEAST CRAP DAILY IS ALSO IMPORTANT & MORE SO IF YOUR DEALING WITH A STUBBORN STRAINS.
AS FAR AS THE DOSES ON IBUPROFIN. THIS CAN BE GIVEN 2XS A DAY. NOW I WILL SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH I GAVE MY APROX. 5LB. HEN MORE THAN THIS. SHE WANTED IT SO I DID INITIALLY GIVE HER A BIT MORE AT NIGHT ESPEC.
I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT IF YOU WEIGH YOUR CHICKEN & IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE GAINING WEIGHT OR SEEM HEAVY EVEN THOUGH THE BREAST MUSCLE IS GONE DON'T BE FOOLED. THE YEAST WEIGHS A LOT. AT SOME POINT DURING YOUR TREATMENT THEY MAY SEEM LIKE THEY ARE LOOSING WEIGHT. DON'T BE ALARMED. I FREE RANGE & I STARTED TO THINK MINE WERE GOING HUNGRY JUST ON THE SEED. WHAT IT WAS IS THEY WERE FLUSHING OUT ALL THE YEAST WHICH HOLDS WATER!!! SHE ACTUALLY FELT PRETTY DARN SKINNY BUT NOW IS STARTING TO PUT ON SOME WEIGHT. THE BERRIES WILL SUPPLY SOME VITAMINS,FIBER, & SOME CARBS. WITHOUT GETTING SCIENTIFIC SINCE THIS DARN THING IS LONG ENOUGH THESE CARBS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS IN THE GRAIN- FEED & AREN'T AS EASY FOR THE FUNGUS TO THRIVE ON.
OK ENOUGH! NEED ADVICE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT WHEN YOU WRITE PLEASE GIVE ME SPECIFICS SO WE DON'T WASTE TIME. TYPICALLY WHEN PEOPLE CONTACT ME THEY ARE ALREADY ON THE BRINK OF DEATH SO TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
IN SHORT When my Baby decided to starve herself & passed Instead of taking her to USDA POULTRY DIVISION AT UC DAVIS (Who also had failed me IN SHORT) I cut a sm. hole in the Crop. Out popped a Sm. Rock that had got encased with Crop Wall Tissue which allowed the Fungus to attach itself!!! I Only Wish I would have seen the Videos on Crop Surgery on You Tube I probably could have saved her. MY POINT IN SHARING "SOME" OF THIS IS DON'T ALWAYS ASSUME THE VET IS RIGHT. FIRST OFF YOU CAN GET NYSTATIN WITHOUT A SCRIPT!!! "ALLBIRDS.COM" HAS SMALLER CANISTERS(DECENT PRICE COMPARED TO OTHER SITES) & "LADY GOUDIAN FINCH HAS THE LARGER "
MY SUGGESTION ON USE "IF" YOU CHOOSE TO TRY THIS IS TO GET ORGANIC COCONUT OIL & LIGHTLY COAT YOUR SEED MIX. I HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND USING ONLY SAFFLOWER SEED FOR NUTRITION UNTIL THEY GET OVER THE HUMP. THE CARBS FEED THE PROBLEM(CORN/PELLET IS BAD). DON'T USE VITAMINS THAT CONTAIN SALTS OR ELECTROLYTES. THIS ALLOWS THE FUNGAL MASS TO TAKE IN WATER & FOOD EASIER. MINE REFUSED TO DRINK THEM OR EAT OYSTER SHELL DUE TO SALT!
YOU WANT TO "LIGHTLY COAT WITH OIL JUST SO YOU GET A SHINY EXTERIOR & NOT STICKING TOGETHER. THE COCONUT HAS AN ING. CALLED CAPRYLLIC ACID WHICH ONLY KILLS BAD BACTERIA!!! THEN LIGHTLY SPRINKLE WITH NYSTATIN POWDER(CONSULT/ USE THE GOUDIAN FINCHES INSTRUCTIONS THE OTHER CO. WAS WRONG BY TELLING ME TO ADD IT TO WATER FOR "CROP FUNGUS".
YOU CAN ALSO TRY "SOLGAR BRAND CAPRYLLIC ACID TABS " TAKE A SHARP KNIFE & SCRAPE OFF THE THIN PAPERLIKE SHINY EXTERIOR. REASON :THIS ACTUALLY HAS A SUGAR BASE IN IT! MINE PREFERRED IT IN SMALL LITTLE PIECES. THERE IS ONE SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT STATE TO POWDER & SPRINKLE OF FOOD. I DID TRY THIS BUT THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO LIE THAT OR MOISTENING THE PELLET OR CRUMBLE. IT DOES HAVE A BURNING AFFECT SO IN CRUMBLES IT HAD A MORE DIRECT SHOT TO THE CROP & THEN AFTER ABOUT 5 MIN i WOULD MASSAGE. WHAT I ALSO LEARNED THE HARD WAY WAS THE CARBS FROM THE PELLET/CRUMBLE WERE STILL FEEDING THE FUNGUS!!! IT GETS STUCK IN THE SLIME DEPOSITS LEFT BEHIND(IN SHORT & THEN IT STARTS BUILDING AGAIN) IF YOU HAVE A "LARGE MASS" IN THE CROP YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF PATIENCE. THE ONE BAD THING ABOUT THIS SITUATION IS THAT THE CAPRYLLIC ACID WILL IN FACT MELT THE MASS BUT IT TURNS TO A SLIME. IT IS TOO MUCH FOR THE CHICKEN TO PROCESS OUT WITH "LARGE" MASSES "LIGHTLY" MASSAGING THE CROP WILL HELP. THE SLIME WILL RISE ABOVE THE FOOD!!! TO HELP THE HEN(THIS IS FOR 4-7LB RANGE) USE 1/4TH OF A "TABLET" OF CVS'S/LONGS GENERIC 200MG. IBUPROFIN TAB" THIS WAS PROBABLY THE BEST INFO. I GOT FROM MY AVAIN VET BESIDES THE CULTURES SHOWING THAT IN FACT IT WAS FUNGAL! I WOULD ACTUALLY WIPE OFF THE EXTERIOR ORANGE OR BROWN COATING WITH A LIGHTLY MOIST PAPER TOWEL(AGAIN SUGAR BASED & WAX). THE IBUPROFIN HELPS WITH REGURGITATION & HELPS THE HENS INTESTINES TO RELAX SOME BECAUSE PASSING ALL THE CRAP WILL CAUSE SWELLING/STRESS. STRESS IS YOUR WORST ENEMY WITH CROP FUNGUS!!!!. YOU MAY SEE YOUR HENS COMB TURN SLIGHTLY BLUE OR HEAD SNAPPING!
ALSO NYSTATIN CAN TOLERATE ACIDS. IN ADDITION CROP FUNGUS IS CONTAGIOUS. IF YOUR STUPID VET TRIIES TO TELL YOU DIFFERENT LIKE MINE UH HELLO! WHEN THE HEN REGURGITATES IT GETS ONTO DROPPED I HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH NYSTAIN & IF YOUR LUMP IS THE SIZE OF A PEA(USUALLY LOCATED ON THE"BOTTOM" RIGHT SIDE OF THE CROP WALL) THEN THE CAPRYLLIC OR NYSTAIN IS A GOOD OPTION BUT STILL LIGHTLY MASSAGE. IF YOUR HEN IS OLDER & THE CROP SAGS YOU MAY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT A CROP BRA. I HAD TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE RESIDUALS OF THE MELTED FUNGUS KEPT LEAVING DEPOSITS ON THAT SIDE & IN SHORT IT WOULD START TO TRY TO COME BACK AGAIN. I ACTUALLY HAD TO ATTACH A THIN ROPE & PULL IT ACROSS THE CHEST & TIE IT OFF TO THE BACK KNOT WHERE I HAD THE CROP BRA TIED(SORT OF A CROSS YOUR HEART BRA AFFECT) THE OBJECTIVE IS TO GET THE CROP TO BE MORE CENTERED WHICH ALLOWS THE GUNK TO FIND ITS WAY TO THE OPENING EASIER & ALLOW THE MEDICINE TO COAT ALL AREAS. I PERSONALLY HAD ABOUT A 75% SUCCESS RATE WITH JUST NYSTAIN BUT I WAS DEALING WITH A LUMP ON 1 HEN THE SIZE OF A LARGE OVAL BEAN. THE 75% WAS "AFTER" I IMPLEMENTED THE BRA(SHE IS AROUND 5YO) I THEN DID MORE & MORE RESEARCH. I WAS AT MY BREAKING POINT STRESS WISE,LOSS OF PATIENCE & $$$.
I WAS TOO VESTED & WASN'T READY TO GIVE UP YET. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT SAFFLOWER SEED IS IT HAS MUCH LOWER CARBS,CONTAINS A BENEFICIAL OIL & SWELLS NICE. THIS SWELLING/ABSORPTION IS IMPORTANT WITH DRAWING UP THE NASTIES,SNUFFING OUT THE FUNGUS. ANOTHER NOTE "THE LIGHT MASSAGING IS ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE YEAST ALSO THRIVES ON AIR & STARTS RELEASING GAS WHICH PLAYS INTO THE REGURGITATION . IT "TRIES" TO CREATE IN A SENSE A POCKET FOR ITSELF. IF YOU DON'T MASSAGE & HANG AROUND YOU WILL START TO HEAR AIR NOISES COME FROM THE CHICKENS MOUTH & IN SHORT THIS CAUSES STRESS. YOU CAN HELP REDUCE THE STRESS BY JUST TAKING A FEW MOMENTS TO DO THIS.
NOW I WILL SHARE WHAT I DISCOVERED NOT ONLY BY READING BUT A FLUKE!!! I HAVE A SMALL BLACKBERRY BUSH IN MY DRIVEWAY. I CAUGHT THE HEN JUMPING & TRYING TO EAT THE BERRIES. AT FIRST I FREAKED BECAUSE EVERY DARN VEGI THAT WAS SUGGESTED FOR THIS. THEY ALL HAVE TOO MUCH WATER.SUGAR,OR SALT!. THIS ONLY FED THE FUNGUS!!!
AFTER ALMOST 2 YRS. OF THIS CRAP I HAVE LEARNED THAT CHICKENS KNOW FOR THE MOST PART WHAT THEY NEED. OBVIOUSLY STILL OPEN TO TEMPTATION LIKE ANY ANIMAL BUT I HAD TO LOOK AT THE COMPONENTS OF THIS BERRY. COME TO FIND OUT IT HAS ACIDS SUCH AS SALCYLLIC(USED IN FACIALS TO "BREAK DOWN" DEAD SKIN CELLS BUT OF COURSE THAT HAS HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS). IT ALSO CONTAINS NATURAL ANTI FUNGAL COMPONENTS. NOW I DID TRY BRAGGS APPLE CIDER RAW VINEGAR BEFORE BUT ON PRIOR IT HAD CAUSED DISTRESS/BLUE COMB. I "THINK" THIS WAS DUE TO TOO MUCH YEAST PASSING & THEN AT THOSE LOW DOSE INSTRUCTIONS WASN'T ENOUGH TO OVERTAKE THESE BAD STRAINS. THE ACV AT THE RECOMMENDED DOSES IS MORE FOR PREVENTION OR LIGHT CASES.
I WENT & PICKED A BUNCH OF BERRIES THAT STILL HAD A LITTLE RED TO THEM(SOFT BUT NOT QUITE RIPE). THE REASON WAS TO GET A LOWER SUGAR CONTENT & HIGHER ACID). I LAID 75% IN A CONTAINER ON STRIPS OF PAPER TOWEL TORN INTO SMALL 2X3's (APROX) & AVOID STACKING. I THEN TOOK A FEW PIECES OF PAPER TOWEL & LAIID THEM IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FREEZER BAG & ADDED ABOUT 20-25 OR SO BERRIES. I PLACED THAT IN A PLASTIC GROC. BAG IN MY FRIG. & LEFT THEY BAGS CRACKED (THEY WILL ROTT/TURN FASTER IF YOU SEAL & YOU DON'T WANT THAT!). NOW THE ACIDS WILL QUICKLY START BREAKING DOWN THE BERRIES. YOU MAY WANT GLOVES IF YOU GET PURPLE STAINED FINGERS.
GET YOURSELF A NICE SOMEWHAT THICK GLASS CONTAINER(SO IT DOESN'T CRACK). YOU WILL BE TAKING APROX. 1 CUP OF WATER & THEN YOU WILL TAKE YOUR LITTLE PAPER TOWELS SOAKED WITH BERRY JUICE(USE DECENT QUALITY TOWELS DUE TO LINT/DURABILITY). YOU ARE GOING TO SQUEEZE THE JUICE INTO YOUR WATER. I PERSONALLY WAS AROUND A 60/40 MIX(60 BEING JUICE) BUT THIS PART IS PARTIALLY OPEN TO EXPERIMENTATION. I THEN ADDED 1 CAP FULL OF THE BRAGGS APPLE CIDER VINEGAR(I DID BUMP UP SLIGHTLY OVER TIME SINCE THEY SEEMED TO TOLERATE & WANTED MORE). TOU CAN ONLY SCALE THIS BY OBSERVING. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD A LITTLE WATER OR JUICE IF THE CHICKEN DOESN'T GO CRAZY FOR IT. I ADDED THE VINEGAR NOT ONLY TO UP THE ACID BUT I READ THAT THE VINEGAR NOT ONLY HAS CALMING COMPONENTS BUT ALSO LOWERS BLOOD SUGAR IN HUMANS. THIS BREW CAN BE REFROZEN & RE-USED A FEW TIMES. AFTER THAT I FILTER OUT AT LEAST 75% DUE TO ANY POSSIBLE REMAINING BACTERIA(AGAIN I'M DEALING WITH BAD STRAINS). IF YOU CAN'T BE AROUND TO GIVE A FEW TIMES A DAY MY BEST ADVICE IS TO LEAVE IT ON A GOOD ICE PACK THAT WILL STAY FROZEN FOR AWHILE.
I THEN STIRRED & PLACED IN THE FREEZER! WHEN IT GOT ABOUT 30% FROZEN I PULLED IT OUT & TOOK A FORK & MADE MORE OR LESS MADE IT SLUSH LIKE . I THEN LAID IT ON AN ICE PACK. I ALSO PUT 5-6 BERRIES IN SEPARATE BOWLS (JUST "VERY SLIGHTLY" SQUISH TO JUST START THE BREAKDOWN /EASIER TO SWALLOW). I EVEN AT ONE POINT DABBED MY FINGER IN TINY AMTS. OF STRAIGHT ACV & JUST LIGHTLY TOUCHED A FEW BERRIES WITH THAT WET FINGER. I WOULD SQUEEZE A VERY SM. AMT. OF JUICE IN THE BERRY BOWL & ONE I DABBED THE BERRIES I STIRRED IT JUST SO THE BERRIES HAD A COAT OF STRAIGHT JUICE( DO NOT "MASH"!!!) AGAIN THIS IS OPEN TO EXPERIMENTATION I'M SHARING WHAT I DID! NOW I ONLY HAVE 2 LEFT WITH THE PROBLEM SO YOU WILL HAVE TO ADJUST IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLES. RULE OF THUMB :YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD BUT NOT TAKE AWAY! OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A SEPARATE BOWL FOR EACH BUT THE HIGH ACIDS SHOULD BE KILLING OFF THE MAJORITY. THEY SPENT 10 MIN THEIR "FIRST" TIME BITING AT THE SLUSH & EVEN WERE TRYING TO PULL PIECES OUT & SWALLOW THE CHUNKS OF BERRY-ACID ICE. THE COLD SHRINKS THE MASS & THEN THE ACIDS HIT IT(I THOUGHT THIS WAS PRETTY DARN SMART MYSELF!) THEY ALSO WANTED THE SIDE OF STRAIGHT BERRIES. THEY WERE BREWING UP THEIR OWN PERSONAL ACID FLURRY IN THEIR CROPS!!!
I STILL LEFT WATER IN A PLASTIC CONTAINER(4 -5 CUPS) WITH A CAP FULL OF VINEGAR ADDED BUT THEY WON'T DRINK IT. THEY ARE JUST NOW TOUCHING IT A LITTLE & SEEM TO ONLY WANT THE BERRY ACID MIX!!!
IT HAS TAKEN 2 WEEKS FOR ME WITH THIS(NO NYSTATIN INVOLVED) & THEY ARE 95% RECOVERED!!!
IN CLOSING CHECK YOUR ROOF ON YOUR HEN HOUSE/BOTTOM WHERE FLOOR MEETS IF WOOD. I HAD A RECENT CONSULT WHERE THE LADY FOUND MOLD IN BETWEEN THE WALL BASE/FLOOR. SHE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL SHE KNELT DOWN & WAS CATCHING WHIFFS. MY ROOF WAS NEW BUT BUILT INCORRECTLY BY ANOTHER PARTY!. IN SHORT I HAD MY SUSPICIONS BECAUSE IT HAD DRIPPED A FEW TIMES(WHICH I DID PATCH) BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THE MOLD WAS HIDDEN BY THE SHINGLES. I WOULD CURE THEM WITH ACTUAL ANTIBIOTICS(LA 200 INJ. I DON'T RECOMMEND THIS AFTER WHAT I HAVE LEARNED. WHICH HAD A DRYING AFFECT) BUT THEN I NOTICED A FEW WEEKS LATER IT WOULD START ALL OVER AGAIN. WITH NO HELP FROM THE DARN UCD CULTURES/NECROPSIES I GOT SO MAD & CRAWLED UP & CUT THE WHOLE CTR OUT. WHEN I RIPPED THE TILES BACK THERE IT WAS A WHOLE CARPET OF WHITE FUZZY MOLD. THERE WERE EVEN A FEW SMALL BLK. SPOTS ON THE UNDERSIDE ON THE OVERHANG THAT I DIDN'T SEE ON PRIOR! I REPAIRED IT QUICK BUT THEY JUST KEPT PASSING THE PROBLEM BETWEEN THEM. I KNOW PART OF THE KEY WAS THE OLD ONE HAVING THAT FUNGUS COVERED ROCK THAT SHE COULDN'T PASS. WELL I HOPE THIS CAN HELP SOMEONE. I ALWAYS LIKE TO PUT THE REASONING BEHIND WHAT I POST BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME. I CAN ADVISE ON YOUR "SPECIFIC" SITUATION. I HAVE ALREADY DONE A FEW CONSULTS ON HERE & ENJOY HELPING OTHERS THROUGH A STRESSFUL HEARTBREAKING EXPERIENCE.
JUST REMEMBER TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM CORN BASED FOOD & CARBS. CORN IS THE WORST & OF COURSE ANYTHING STARCHY. THERE IS "1" NEW FOOD OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE I CONSULTED TOLD ME ABOUT BUT SHE LIVES IN FL. THIS HAS MORE OF A SOY BASE BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN YET. FORGET THE PROBIOTICS FOR NOW BECAUSE THE ACIDS WILL KILL THEM. IF YOU WANT TO TRY & INTRODUCE THEM ONCE THEY ARE WELL I HIGHLY RECOMMEND "LACTOSE FREE" ORGANIC PLAIN GREEN VALLEY KIEFER" A TSP IN FOOD EVERY COUPLE DAYS FOR A WEEK SHOULD GET THEM GOING. CHICKENS ARE LACTOSE INTOLERANT & THE LACTOSE TURNS TO SUGAR!!! STAY AWAY FROM THE DARN YOGURT IT HAS LACTOSE & HIGHER SUGAR!!! ( PER VOLUME THE KIEFER HAS MUCH LESS SUGAR 7G PER CUP OF THE SPECIFIC GREEN VALLEY KIEFER NOW LOOK AT THE PLAIN YOGURT LABEL!).
IF IT WASN'T FOR AN OLDER MAN AT THE FEED STORE TELLING ME HOW MUCH HIS BIRDS LOVED THE SAFFLOWER SEED I WOULD STILL BE IN MISERY. I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING TO IT & I WAS RIGHT. I DID TRY OTHER SEEDS BUT THE CARBS WERE TOO HIGH & IT WAS CAUSING ROLLER COASTER RIDE RESULTS.
NOTE: I'M PRETTY SCIENTIFIC & I JUST WENT OUT TO CHANGE OUT THE PLAIN WATER TUB THAT I PUT ACV IN(AS MENTIONED STRONGER THAN BASIC INSTRUCTIONS). I NOTICED THESE CLEAR SEMI HARD-JELL LIKE BUBBLES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLASTIC CONTAINER(8-10). I CAREFULLY DRAINED THE WATER & ACTUALLY SCRAPED ONE & PLACED IT & EXAMINED WITH A 10XS. I WAS SHOCKED! EACH SCRAPPING SEEMED TO HAVE A SM. STRAND OF APPLE IN IT! AS i FELT THE TEXTURE IT HIT ME. THE HEN DRANK SOME & DEPOSITED SOME FUNGUS IN THE WATER. THE DAM FUNGUS LATCHED ON & FASTENED ITSELF TO THE BOTTOM IN THIS SLIMY BUBBLE!!!!
THIS JUST RE-ENFORCES MY OBSERVATIONS ON CARBS/SUGAR! SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE APPLE CRAP OUT WHEN I USE THE VINEGAR"PERSONALLY" & RAISE UP THE VINEGAR SOME MORE IN THE VINEGAR WATER MIX.
ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY CONTAGIOUS THROUGH FEED/WATER BUT ALSO BEING TOO CLOSE ON THE ROOST!!! BELIEVE ME OR NOT BUT WHEN IT GETS IN THE MOUTH I PRESUME IT BECOMES AIRBORNE. IT WAS A BATTLE AT FIRST TO TRY & SEPARATE THE ROOSTER FROM THE HEN BUT THEY HAD TO LEARN ON THEIR OWN. THEY NOW SIT OPPOSITE OF EACH OTHER & SPACE THEMSELVES A BIT. PICKING UP THE YEAST CRAP DAILY IS ALSO IMPORTANT & MORE SO IF YOUR DEALING WITH A STUBBORN STRAINS.
AS FAR AS THE DOSES ON IBUPROFIN. THIS CAN BE GIVEN 2XS A DAY. NOW I WILL SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH I GAVE MY APROX. 5LB. HEN MORE THAN THIS. SHE WANTED IT SO I DID INITIALLY GIVE HER A BIT MORE AT NIGHT ESPEC.
I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT IF YOU WEIGH YOUR CHICKEN & IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE GAINING WEIGHT OR SEEM HEAVY EVEN THOUGH THE BREAST MUSCLE IS GONE DON'T BE FOOLED. THE YEAST WEIGHS A LOT. AT SOME POINT DURING YOUR TREATMENT THEY MAY SEEM LIKE THEY ARE LOOSING WEIGHT. DON'T BE ALARMED. I FREE RANGE & I STARTED TO THINK MINE WERE GOING HUNGRY JUST ON THE SEED. WHAT IT WAS IS THEY WERE FLUSHING OUT ALL THE YEAST WHICH HOLDS WATER!!! SHE ACTUALLY FELT PRETTY DARN SKINNY BUT NOW IS STARTING TO PUT ON SOME WEIGHT. THE BERRIES WILL SUPPLY SOME VITAMINS,FIBER, & SOME CARBS. WITHOUT GETTING SCIENTIFIC SINCE THIS DARN THING IS LONG ENOUGH THESE CARBS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS IN THE GRAIN- FEED & AREN'T AS EASY FOR THE FUNGUS TO THRIVE ON.
OK ENOUGH! NEED ADVICE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT WHEN YOU WRITE PLEASE GIVE ME SPECIFICS SO WE DON'T WASTE TIME. TYPICALLY WHEN PEOPLE CONTACT ME THEY ARE ALREADY ON THE BRINK OF DEATH SO TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
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All caps too hard for me too read. 
-Kathy
-Kathy
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Holy crap! I thought it was just me...lol...All caps too hard for me too read.
-Kathy
I do have a question though and haven't found it yet.....my hen is lethargic, stands statue like all day with eyes closed. Her crop is empty all the time (not really eating or drinking) soft and mushy like but completely empty. Been like this for a few days. Sour crop seems to produce a full crop...at least from what I've learned here....is it possible she has a sour crop even if it is empty all the time?
Wigs
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Thank you thank you thank you!!! My gal was looking horrible. She had not eaten or drank for days. I thought we were going to lose her. I decided to try the Monistat after reading this and in 12 hours she is already improving!! Her crop was way down in size and this morning she chased a few crickets down! She also drank on her own rather than me using the dropper
. This is the easiest treatment! Thank you so much!
. This is the easiest treatment! Thank you so much!
Did you not use her eggs during treatment? I am having same problem and about to try your method? My girl is still laying.
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