The Health Care Law.

[chickened]

Oh but I bet men can get thier Viagra when they want it.

That is because when us men get old we still want you to be able have that right to choose.

 

[thaiturkey]

One advantage that private health insurance has over a tax based State scheme is that it will set your premium according to actuarial tables that take into account your life expectancy, occupation, habits and other lifestyle criteria. Your future claims record will also be taken into account in many cases. That's good news for the healthy in sedentary jobs. State schemes rarely do that. You pay according to income and the service is the same for everyone who qualifies (i.e. nationals of the country concerned).

 

[chickened]

Sorry, I did not read your links, but I don't think that we do pregnant women much justice in this country. Just out of my own I interest, I have read up on how other countries compare when it comes to managing pregnancy. For instance, I find it fascinating that in many places obstetricians only exist to be seen by those, who truly are high risk pregnancies. Otherwise, they see a midwife or family doctor. Obstetricians are highly trained specialists. Why has it become so normalized for a healthy woman to see an obstetrician? Would you see a cardiologist for a normal check up? No, but pregnancy is big business. Pregnancy is a completely normal function of a woman's body. So unless some true medical need arises then I don't get why we are seeing expensive specialists. In Finland (I believe), a midwife is so highly prized that if one of their patients becomes high risk and, therefore, needs to see an obstetrician, the midwife attends every appointment to be sure that the woman's true needs are met correctly.
A midwife has been trained similarly to a family physician in that they see a pregnancy as a normal part of a woman's life. Her body was made for this. Now, of course, there are women who truly need to see an OB for good reason, but many of us do not. C- Sections are big business. And not surprising is their alarming rate in this country. Midwives and family doctors have a much lower fee for pregnancy care and delivery. It does not mean they are less qualified. I have saw an OB with my first and midwives with my second and third babies. The care I received from midwives was absolutely outstanding. The OB ran unnecessary tests, urged me to take pain meds (that I about had to fight with her about while in labor), and just did not believe that my body was designed to do this without her intervention. I proved her wrong. Simply put the model of care is so vastly different from one another and does equate to big differences in the billing aspect of it all, too.
Sooo off topic from your point, but your post reminded me of this.

I would also mention that overall health is a big factor prior to being pregnant. A woman that is near her weight for her height is generally healthier,women having children when they are 30 plus is more dangerous than an 18 to 20 year old and countless other factors come in to play when women decide to have kids at an older than average age. a woman's build also contributes to the ease or difficulty of child bearing also.

 

[chickened]

I would prefer to take care of my own health care needs. I believe God has given us the proper foods and herbs to live a long healthy life. If I do break a bone, etc. I would prefer an urgent care center operated on a financial scale basis.

Or a good vet.

 

[chickened]

yay! great advice. im sure thats all we need to do is tell women and girls to keep their pants on

They probably just don't know that removing their pants might make a baby...

Of course aggressive men also just need to be told to keep their pants on. This concept should have been figured out before we had an epidemic of unplanned pregnancy.

It seem to work pretty well up until say the 60's.... maybe we are smarter now?

 

[chickened]

I give as little support to the pharmaceutical companies as possible. If you think thousands of dollars of months in prescription pills is acceptable, to each his own. I believe much of the pharmaceutical industry is a scam and it increases health care cost.

Don't get me wrong I am no supporter of big pill makersbut I know they would not be successful without pushers and patients. The scam in the medical care is malpractice rates and the fear of litigation. 60.00 to give an aspirin is not actual cost.

 

[jamesbwood]

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Never before have so many people retired, all at once. And never before have they lived so long. Those 20 somethings are paying into a social security system that was not designed for so few people to support so many. A system that those 20 somethings know, like pensions, won't be there for them.

Those 20 somethings are told education is the way to go, yet the price of education has risen much much more then inflation.

Those 20 somethings are trying to get a foot hold in a tough economy.

While they likely won't be receiving pensions or social security as you know them, they will inherit one thing - a huge debt.

And they look back at the "free love" boomers that did so much in the 60s and wonder what happened afterwords - mortgage back security fraud, Bernie Madoff, Enron, Bail Outs, four decades of foreign wars, Wall Street. . . Can this be the same generation that did so much good in the 60's?

The health care plan seems to be another transfer payment plan forcing healthy 20 somethings that might not normally chose to buy health care since their risks are low to pay into a system so that that money can be allocated to older people that are more likely to have more costly pre-existing conditions.

Look, I'm not against older people: I hope to be one someday and am well on my way. But when I hear a boomer complain about "those darn kids" it makes me snicker. Complaining about 20 somethings habits seems a little ironic coming from the free love tie dye pot smoking Hendrix generation. Just sayin.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Oh sure, take away my birth control. Let's see, I'm a married woman, but that's cool (Sorry honey, we just gotta keep our pants on). I will then bleed heavily with no interruption for four months straight (a major health reason for picking up those little pills), severely lowering my ability to work at the physically demanding job I do, but that's okay...I should really be home raising unplanned children on whatever my husband can bring home. Ooo, I will get to experience adult, severe cystic acne again! Oh man, I really miss that stuff. I mean, if nature wants me to have deep facial scarring and large, painful cysts, by golly, I should embrace those pus filled pustules that lower one's immune system. Oh! I can once again experience the joys of fibromyalgia type pain and 'hotspots' brought on by hormone imbalance. Man, one simple pill keeps that under control, but now I see that I really don't deserve to benefit from a service I pay into. How could I forget the mood swings caused by heavy hormonal shifts? Everyone around me got to enjoy those. Oo, and who needs a drastically lowered risk of ovarian cancer? Sure, my risk is severely heightened when I'm off said pill due to my body producing more eggs than a prize leghorn, but I mean really. My body needs to be personally responsible for its decisions. Maybe cancer will teach it a thing or two.

But of course, I will continue to pay for Viagra and other necessities. I know my place, and it is not in a position to make decisions for myself.

 

[hemet dennis]

Never before have so many people retired, all at once. And never before have they lived so long. Those 20 somethings are paying into a social security system that was not designed for so few people to support so many. A system that those 20 somethings know, like pensions, won't be there for them.

Those 20 somethings are told education is the way to go, yet the price of education has risen much much more then inflation.

Those 20 somethings are trying to get a foot hold in a tough economy.

While they likely won't be receiving pensions or social security as you know them, they will inherit one thing - a huge debt.

And they look back at the "free love" boomers that did so much in the 60s and wonder what happened afterwords - mortgage back security fraud, Bernie Madoff, Enron, Bail Outs, four decades of foreign wars, Wall Street. . . Can this be the same generation that did so much good in the 60's?

The health care plan seems to be another transfer payment plan forcing healthy 20 somethings that might not normally chose to buy health care since their risks are low to pay into a system so that that money can be allocated to older people that are more likely to have more costly pre-existing conditions.

Look, I'm not against older people: I hope to be one someday and am well on my way. But when I hear a boomer complain about "those darn kids" it makes me snicker. Complaining about 20 somethings habits seems a little ironic coming from the free love tie dye pot smoking Hendrix generation. Just sayin.

Every generation has said "those darn kids" about the next generation.

 

[chickened]

Oh sure, take away my birth control. Let's see, I'm a married woman, but that's cool (Sorry honey, we just gotta keep our pants on). I will then bleed heavily with no interruption for four months straight (a major health reason for picking up those little pills), severely lowering my ability to work at the physically demanding job I do, but that's okay...I should really be home raising unplanned children on whatever my husband can bring home. Ooo, I will get to experience adult, severe cystic acne again! Oh man, I really miss that stuff. I mean, if nature wants me to have deep facial scarring and large, painful cysts, by golly, I should embrace those pus filled pustules that lower one's immune system. Oh! I can once again experience the joys of fibromyalgia type pain and 'hotspots' brought on by hormone imbalance. Man, one simple pill keeps that under control, but now I see that I really don't deserve to benefit from a service I pay into. How could I forget the mood swings caused by heavy hormonal shifts? Everyone around me got to enjoy those. Oo, and who needs a drastically lowered risk of ovarian cancer? Sure, my risk is severely heightened when I'm off said pill due to my body producing more eggs than a prize leghorn, but I mean really. My body needs to be personally responsible for its decisions. Maybe cancer will teach it a thing or two.
But of course, I will continue to pay for Viagra and other necessities. I know my place, and it is not in a position to make decisions for myself.

Now wait a minute... are we talking about a medical procedure that bankrupts people or 15.00 to 40.00 a month here. Seems hardly a benefit for such a quarrel.

Any pill that is needed for medical reasons should be covered by your insurance if you pay for that service but not just to disrupt a normal fiunction. I don't plan on using maternal coverage for my self so why should I help others buy it?

Look at the bright side your decision making involves a third person now... Uncle Sam.

Just out of curiousity when your stressful occupation's healthcare costs exceed your ability to buy insurance what will you do ? quit or find a different job.