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I understand what you thinking about but this "Tortora" is different to silver. For example she where almost all white as younger and the light brown started with an spot in the neck. She also have the same colors as sepia in bill, claws and legs.I will post an new picture when she is a little...

Thank´s Bleenie and Lydia! Here is an young "Tortora" female. (About 4 months old)

Hi,the name is from A. Taibel in Italy who described this genetic variant in year 1961. Sepia, called "Faiogeno", F gene toghether with the blue = Fumo. I have called it "Fume" (translation from fumo) and in the book poultry ang genetics (editor Crawford) called it "smoky grey". Faiogeno with...

Look att the mysterious "gelbe und rötliche" at this german site http://www.warzen-enten.de/Farbschlaege.htm

Quote: No, I'm pretty sure that you have not Faiogeno/Sepia(bronze in Australia) gene in your flock. Sorry! I´m also pretty sure that you don´t have something else calles bronze by some in US or in the rest of the world. Sorry again! This apricot brown tone, I have seen before in some...

Exciting drake you have there My guess is that there is something in silver, possibly Tortora barred because of the brown of the neck. If not is my guess silver barred... Compare the brown stain with a young female Tortora.

I would say that the drawing is a pair of wild muscovy ducks. Drawing colors could differ a lot but there is wild muscovy ducks with brown in feathers. Fade or not, I dont know for sure. Even in my country slaughtered suspected hybrids with brown, in itself, and unfortunately even some with...

Bronze is rare in the US I do think that people think that a faded black, ( black that the sun has faded) or blacks before molt when the feathers fade and die off, are to often called bronze, only to find that when the bird molts, it is a black bird. Just as Chocolate will appear buff before...

Quote: Hope your Italian language skills are better than mine

Quote: Due nuove varietà di colore nel piumaggio dell'Anatra muschiata (Cairinamoschata domestica L.) sorte per mutazione A. Taibel a Giardino Zoologico di Torino, 1961 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/11250006109436439

Quote: Well, sepia copies varies of course much in appearance but also in the scientific literature descriptions. Could it possibly be that bronze in the U.S. is of a different type than those called Bronze (sepia) in Australia? Please describe how they lokking bronze in your country as I am...

The sepia ducklings have some darker effects in skin but not anything special when they are grown. (Wildtype no atipico/dusky involved) There are also an picture on sepia ducklings and Fumo duckling at feathersite´s muscovy section. Very nice pictures

Just found this thread ... Sepia (Faiogeno) = Bronze (my opinion) Sepia / Faiogeno / Bronze can be of wild type or in combination with aitpico / dusky. Atipico / dusky may occur in different genetic variants, and we do not know everything about how they differ. Do not think you have the gene...

Looked a bit more of your great photos and get a little unsure if the light is really a "Tortora" but it is a lot like a female that I have. Are you sure that you have the sepia gene or is it something else? Eye color? Do you have any photos of own sepia colored muscovy ducks or khaki colored...

Quote: Compare with the original text in Poultry breeding and Genetics (page 392) http://books.google.se/books?id=VMSF7m2CFTEC&lpg=PP1&hl=sv&pg=PA392#v=onepage&q=muscovy&f=false Nothing about the skin there... I have worked with sepia gene in a few years now and never noticed anything...

iajewel: This thing of skin, I have never heard of nor Taibel have mentioned something about this. Develop what you intend and the source of such information....please Ian: Wow

iajewel: I think you have a little wrong there. Am personally convinced that the bronze in Australia are genetically sepia / faiogeno basically. The few differences that are sometimes seen is probably due to the involvement of atipico / dusky. Sepia / Faiogeno gene is well described by A...

iajewel: Interesting birds you have there Edit: Put som notifications in other threads.

Very nice pictures Bleenie/Keeper and Thank God this thread still going on. Faiogeno ducklings Blue Barred Drake (not so barred now) Pied duckling with good spirit and blue eyes

oberhaslikid: Nice pictures! In fact "Silvers" (genetic=Pearl-grey) in the first and third pic???