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  1. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Experinced breeders know what you have been lucky enough to latch on to from the get go. Conditioning is a matter of simple basics and no hocus pocus or magic formulas. These birds are beautifully raised and just plain beautiful. Thanks for sharing with all of us.
  2. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Some of this I would agree with. Color bred canaries are just that; bred to be really good at taking on color from substances that will color any buff/yellow ground canary. They just do it better. As for chickens all the old time buff breeders I ever knew would remind those of us who love the...
  3. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Jeremy, That's not by any chance Luke Vaughn who moved out there from New Hampshire a number of years ago is it? He had Scottish Blackface sheep and some Hyacinth pigeons though if it's him no idea what he's been up to lately.
  4. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    No need to hide under a chair LOL. Keeping track of bloodlines and individual matings is an entirely appropriate discussion, especially when dealing with newly imported stock that we are seeing for the first time. I just didn't want for something to be said about what came from so & so that was...
  5. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    You don't have to go to a lot of trouble except for a general interest sake. Not arguing that any of us on either side of the water know exactly what every individual breeder may have done. What we do know about the Orps is that more than many breeds the development of the different color...
  6. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Beautiful birds. I have sort of asked this before and will just spit it out now. When receiving a batch of chicks from one of the original importers or someone working with first or second generation stock are they toe punched or ??? Is there any effort made to identify possibly...
  7. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    This is a sensible way to look at "undesirable" characteristics that might show up in stock newly imported or just new to us from across town. We get a whole genetic package with each bird and not always just exactly what we see. Culling may have us being able to exhibit whatever is left but in...
  8. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Morning, I've commented on the Dorkings already in connection with yellow pigment, which they do not have. Aveca, in commenting again I am not singling you out. You are researching and reporting and that helps us all to learn. But there's something distinctly off about the information re the...
  9. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Here's a little bit differently colored crele. Or sort of crele?
  10. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Alright then. Let's get things back on track with more pics of these marvelously colored partridge. :-) I imagine that your young hatched from the imported eggs are too young to be anything but cute right now but eventually they too will be picture worthy. Hope you'll share them. Am real...
  11. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Did they really blame yellow in the beak on Dorkings? That makes no sense. Dorkings have white skin including beaks and legs. We've filled freezers with them and there's no yellow to be found. Now, a Wyandotte infusion of the other hand...
  12. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    I've never understood the idea of layer for breeding birds myself. It's a product of the commercial poultry interests and is designed to have a hen be able to lay a well shelled and shipable egg at minimum expense. Minimum expense means minimal nourishment. Breeding stock is usually fed in such...
  13. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Jean, some of the inconsistent reports of how vaccinated birds (usually pigeons) were handled didn't involve the US. It seems strange that if there's a vaccine for AI and Fanciers are being encouraged to use it that there would also be regulations in place penalizing that use. I don't pretend to...
  14. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    There may have been several changes over the last few years that I haven't kept up with . However, the big problem for European breeders and those in other countries importing their birds is the fact that birds were being destroyed because they had antibodies indicating an exposure to (and an...
  15. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    They look to have very even, exceptionally rich buff color, especially considering that we are seeing baby feather. Is that your impression since you get to see them in real life?
  16. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    There's also the idea that most poultry breeders, no matter how serious, see no advantage to microchips or somehow registering stock. Generations of family breeding have been carried out by the use of a simple toe punch and a minimum of record keeping. It's kind of like dogs from the days before...
  17. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    It's funny but so true.
  18. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    I must have forgotten to quote the post being responded to.
  19. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    Not just a humble opinion but fact based opinion born out of experience. Everyone does what works for them, their management system and the time they have. I am surprised that so many are messing with bands and zip ties etc. for growing youngsters. Toe punching the young from various matings and...
  20. DaveK

    The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

    We've done something very similar to this at times in the past and it worked beautifully. We've also used the watermelon boxes which for us were available in two sizes. One size was huge and provided a lot of floor space. These worked well and when they were past a point of being useful they...
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