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post #11 of 18

I think the Production Reds would be a fine breed for your goals.  If I was undertaking such an enterprise, I think I'd clip their wings when putting them out into the electronet.  If you can nip the habit before it becomes ingrained, so much the better.  Kind of like the way zoo keepers tether a baby elephant with a small chain around a foot.  Baby can't break loose.  As he grows, the same tiny chain holds him secure, because he learned as a baby that it was futile to pull against it.  So, the same flimsy chain continues to hold a full grown elephant.  Young birds go through many mini molts before they have their full adult plumage.   You might want to talk to the hatchery, or even an Ag extension agent about a clipping schedule.

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

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Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-lazy-gardener

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/yes-you-certainly-can-brood-chicks-outdoors

https://tikktok.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/fermented-feed-faq/

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post #12 of 18
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Okay. Maybe I just didn't clip wings early enough with my last flock.... 

Like I said, I absolutely hate the idea of mutilating any animal into something more "convenient" for the keeper.

(Though we do disbud our goats, but that seems to be a different issue to an actual amputation like de winging.) 

Farming with the family in Central CA.  

 

The layer flock:  Blue Wyandottes, BBS Andalusians, EE's, Australorps, Cuckoo Marans, a few BBS AM's, a few Olive Eggers. 

 

Just for fun: Mille Fleur d'Uccle bantams, BBS Orps, Lav Orps, Coturnix quail, Polish mixes.

 

Turkeys, geese, goats and sheep, oh my!  

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Farming with the family in Central CA.  

 

The layer flock:  Blue Wyandottes, BBS Andalusians, EE's, Australorps, Cuckoo Marans, a few BBS AM's, a few Olive Eggers. 

 

Just for fun: Mille Fleur d'Uccle bantams, BBS Orps, Lav Orps, Coturnix quail, Polish mixes.

 

Turkeys, geese, goats and sheep, oh my!  

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post #13 of 18
They aren't really production birds but my English Orpingtons are way too heavy to fly lol and lazy. They make great roasting birds. One of the reasons I chose the breed was they would stay in three foot tall fencing.
post #14 of 18
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They aren't really production birds but my English Orpingtons are way too heavy to fly lol and lazy. They make great roasting birds. One of the reasons I chose the breed was they would stay in three foot tall fencing.

 

Haha yes, I started out with Buff Orps just for fun, and got a handful of BBS Orps last year, they are incredibly lazy and it's awesome XD  If they were a little more efficient in laying, I'd go for an Orps only laying flock!

Farming with the family in Central CA.  

 

The layer flock:  Blue Wyandottes, BBS Andalusians, EE's, Australorps, Cuckoo Marans, a few BBS AM's, a few Olive Eggers. 

 

Just for fun: Mille Fleur d'Uccle bantams, BBS Orps, Lav Orps, Coturnix quail, Polish mixes.

 

Turkeys, geese, goats and sheep, oh my!  

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Farming with the family in Central CA.  

 

The layer flock:  Blue Wyandottes, BBS Andalusians, EE's, Australorps, Cuckoo Marans, a few BBS AM's, a few Olive Eggers. 

 

Just for fun: Mille Fleur d'Uccle bantams, BBS Orps, Lav Orps, Coturnix quail, Polish mixes.

 

Turkeys, geese, goats and sheep, oh my!  

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post #15 of 18
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Haha yes, I started out with Buff Orps just for fun, and got a handful of BBS Orps last year, they are incredibly lazy and it's awesome XD  If they were a little more efficient in laying, I'd go for an Orps only laying flock!
I am working towards production with my Orps, my mottled 5 hens are giving me 4 or 5 eggs a Dayaks one of them went broody so she's just starting back up. My Isabel's aren't laying yet but I like their long backs, I'm hopeful!
post #16 of 18
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Okay sounds like a single clipping was good enough for your birds. Were they full grown or still young birds when you clipped them? 

They were 6 months old. I wanted to wait until they reached full size and there was no blood in the feather quills. I clipped both wings after discovering that my hens, even the heavy breeds, were still able to clear the fence with only one wing clipped. Next year, after they molt, they will have to be trimmed again and every time they molt it'll have to be done. 


Edited by Miriahb - 9/9/15 at 5:58am
post #17 of 18
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Speaking of breeds, maybe I should just aim for heavier breeds that will only need to be clipped once, before they get too fat to fly... Does anyone have any experience with Production Reds? Are they super light and flighty like the New Hampshires and Mediterranean breeds? 

Even my heavy breeds could go over a four foot fence before I clipped the wings. My jersey giant roo was notorious for it. He promptly got his wings clipped and still hasn't forgiven me for it. 

post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quick update since my birds are now grown:
Did not de-wing. Have had only ONE escapee in 8 months! big_smile.png didn't even clip feathers after all, as I couldn't get any help.

The large yard appears to be enough space so they don't want to fly out. (round pen, ~400 ft ofelectic poultry net). I got a production hybrid red from a local hatchery; they are about the same weight as RIR's. Nowhere near as light as the Andalusians i had, and probably heavier than the AM's.

TLDR: mid scale egg production is possible, outdoor, free range, without de winging. Keys are enough space from structures and the right breed (NOT a light boned bird). Hope this helps someone else!

Farming with the family in Central CA.  

 

The layer flock:  Blue Wyandottes, BBS Andalusians, EE's, Australorps, Cuckoo Marans, a few BBS AM's, a few Olive Eggers. 

 

Just for fun: Mille Fleur d'Uccle bantams, BBS Orps, Lav Orps, Coturnix quail, Polish mixes.

 

Turkeys, geese, goats and sheep, oh my!  

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Farming with the family in Central CA.  

 

The layer flock:  Blue Wyandottes, BBS Andalusians, EE's, Australorps, Cuckoo Marans, a few BBS AM's, a few Olive Eggers. 

 

Just for fun: Mille Fleur d'Uccle bantams, BBS Orps, Lav Orps, Coturnix quail, Polish mixes.

 

Turkeys, geese, goats and sheep, oh my!  

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