Hands on hatching and help

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Lacrystol said:

Again, for me I will NEVER risk loosing babies and I can tell you 80% did kill them, why because when I first started out I read all over the internet, humidity should be this temp this, blah blah blah and one factor it stated 80% humidity, welll what I didn't read is this was for WET bulb not what i was using. It was HORRIBLE to see 10 babies make it all the way to lockdown and then each one booom boom boom died off. it was horrible. I think the best thing for deattched don't even shift them. Just let them sit there completely still, I have read some people have had success but guess what. When I asked them ok tell me exactly what you did, There responses STOP, this tells me, they are fibbing. Yeh alll of a suddenly then can't tell me exactly what they did to help deattached air cells. KIND FUN FUNNY HUH? I have will have to experienment, I wonder if you put a tiny PIN hole at the top of the shell and leave that egg there for a couple of days if that will help get those Deattached air cells to STICK. HUMMMMM... I LOVE EXPERIMENTING with things..

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I'm sorry about your babies. That's terrible to loose them all. 2 eggs started! But I think they already quit. I saw some veining start yesterday. The problem with totally detached air cells is that the chalaza is usually broken and when the embryo starts it can't attached itself to anything. The veins now look like a condensed little rectangle. I've never even had totally detached air cells even start. So this was a first for me. But the problem I find with not turning adequately is that the CAM will not develop properly and then they will be late quitters. Sometimes the damage done by shipping just can't be reversed.

ShanandGem said:

I had a chick pip through their own blood vessel during my first hatch. More blood than I cared to see. Then she quit working on her shell and after 24 hours I helped. The blood in the veins (what was left of it) had all receded and I got her out fairly quickly but there was blood pooled in the bottom of the shell and the membrane was coated in it. The inside of my incubator looked like a crime scene. She dragged a little nub of yolk sac around for a day or so before it fell off. She was also the smallest chick I had ever seen. A week later she is rambunctious and sassy, and catching up to her siblings in size. I guess my point is that without help I don't think she would have made it out of her shell. It remains to be seen if she lives a long healthy life or not, but I am glad I helped her.

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That is scary! Glad she made it! I had a chick pip into membranes once and luckily the blood clotted. After she got out (on her own) there was a big blood clot I the egg.

ShanandGem said:

I wouldn't help yet if he just pipped this morning. If it looks dry use a Q tip to moisten the membrane you can see. Don't get water up his nose!

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caesargirl said:

Great. Second longest assist I've done. They're growing like weeds. If I had to guess dads are my welshies and moms are khakis or/and Cayuga. @Debs Flock can u post a pic for me??? Please??? Emerald and Clover...

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Love the pictures!! They are great!

casportpony said:

Here is a pipped away from air cell malpo: Haven't had much luck with them, so I decided to make it's hole bigger. Bleeding was minimal, but clearly not quite ready. -Kathy

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Good pics! I need to start taking some pics when I assist! I love all your photos. They are very helpful.

casportpony said:

Have no idea how true this is: [COLOR=B42000] [/COLOR] Source: http://www.thepoultrysite.com/artic...hatchery-practice-examining-the-hatch-debris/ -Kathy

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I have studied these charts and I can never figure out what positions my malpositions are in. All I know is I've never lost one! And I usually have 1 or 2 in every batch and 60% of the time they have zipped on their own, fortunately.

casportpony said:

This one was really stuck: Bruise is where it tried to pip. Saw this then marked air cell with pen. [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]-Kathy[/COLOR]

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At least you were able to figure out where the beak was! I read this article on condor eggs and some are very valuable. So I was reading that there is this machine that can pick up exactly where the beak is located inside the egg on malpositions through wave lengths. Once they locate the beak, they drill a safety hole into the egg and do a full assist. I just found that so interesting.

quackshack74 said:

Ok here are 2 more pics of my trouble egg. There still are slight veins, im nit really seeing movement, maybe slight shifting. I can see his shape. Humidity is still good 65-70, temperature 100F. Im misting and turning. Any other ideas?

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I'm sorry but it does look like it quit. The veins should still be as prominent as they were when you saw them last week. Looks like they are receding.

EmilyB86 said:

Hey- I don't know whether to help my ducks. I a hatching call duck eggs and today is the due date- they are all moving and can hear the occasional cheep and they internally pipped about 29-30 hours and their beaks are nowhere near the top of the egg to start internally pipping?! What shall I do? Shall I make a small hole?! Any advice and plans would be amazing !!

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I hope someone else chimes in but call ducks can have trouble pipping because of their short beaks. I would make a tiny safety hole in the ones that have been pipped so long. Maybe these guys can help...@RavynFallen@Lacrystol

quackshack74 said:

Ok here are 2 more pics of my trouble egg. There still are slight veins, im nit really seeing movement, maybe slight shifting. I can see his shape. Humidity is still good 65-70, temperature 100F. Im misting and turning. Any other ideas?

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caesargirl said:

So were there normal veins at first and they started disappearing?
I'd be tempted to say it's a quitter.

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EmilyB86 said:

Hey- I don't know whether to help my ducks. I a hatching call duck eggs and today is the due date- they are all moving and can hear the occasional cheep and they internally pipped about 29-30 hours and their beaks are nowhere near the top of the egg to start internally pipping?! What shall I do? Shall I make a small hole?! Any advice and plans would be amazing !!

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If they are peeping/quacking/cheeping they've internally pipped. The external pip can take place anywhere.

tabinal said:

I think it is ok now or head g that way and I really can't stop looking at your silkies and cochins pictures. I LOVE your birds. I have 3 week old silkies including 2 partridge and a black along with a cream and what I thought was a Grey - may be white.. your reds are SO pretty. I'm just going to hang out on your pic pages a while dreaming. OK? Really envious of all this pretty color

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awe THANK YOU, you should see what i have in my house, OMG, it's a Mille Cochin, She's Spoiled Rotten, refuses to be a hen. Yes, she goes outside and huddles in a corner, doesn't matter if she's with other chickens or just by herself, She won't eat or drink just hides in a corner. So I brought her in, When she's in SHE's ALL over the place. LOL, in the Guinea pig cage, hopping all over the room. She is REALLY something else..

AmyLynn2374 said:

She wouldn't have w/o the assist.... but she's perfectly healthy and happy. This is her yesterday:

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PRETTY

CyndiD said:

Hi, my little WCBP mix hatched Saturday evening, she seemed fine, gave her food and water yesterday and she still is not eating or drinking, she is pooping, kinda normal poop, she has a problem eating & drinking. when i put her face in the water and soft food she takes some b/c she has to, and then she stands straight up and seems to have trouble swallowing. her croop is emply.
she has a crooked toe, also. I think she is starving. she can see but not well, she follows me, when i move around her, but she moves slowly, like she is only seeing shadows. she may be deaf also. I hink she has many problems, that i dont know of.
has anyone encountered this kind of behavior before?
Any suggestions on how to help her
Oh, and she chirps/peeps constantly, until she is exhausted, i think b/c she is hungry, and maybe in pain.
poor sweet little creature.
can you see her crooked/twisted toe?
she stands errect when she swallows her food or water. I have not seen her eat or drink

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She does this all the time? Wether it's water or Food??

quackshack74 said:

Ok here are 2 more pics of my trouble egg. There still are slight veins, im nit really seeing movement, maybe slight shifting. I can see his shape. Humidity is still good 65-70, temperature 100F. Im misting and turning. Any other ideas?

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When is the due date?

quackshack74 said:

Hi, yes last Thursday both eggs looked great, then i checked this one last night & it looks yellow & odd. I posted a picture last night in this thread, another person said it may be a "Sticky " egg. My other egg is nice & pink & i see movement.

i have a bad feeling about this one of course.

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I would place it in a separate bator and JACK that humidity up to around 80%, I doubt it if you can save it because it's sticky really bad, But Perhaps, putting some holes, little tiny holes where the yellow gooy stuff is you can get some of it to drain out. Raising the humidity you may be able to get enough moisture inside to basically Wash that stuff out.. You could even go higher like 90%, but it would have to be by itself, i would not put your good eggs in with it at that high of humidity..

It's really tough to save a sticky baby..

EmilyB86 said:

Hey- I don't know whether to help my ducks. I a hatching call duck eggs and today is the due date- they are all moving and can hear the occasional cheep and they internally pipped about 29-30 hours and their beaks are nowhere near the top of the egg to start internally pipping?! What shall I do? Shall I make a small hole?! Any advice and plans would be amazing !!

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I would hang tight for one more day

OH MISSY KATHY, I NEED YOU, @casportpony

So I had a baby chick externally pipped last night, he was definitely malpositioned, broke threw the side of his shell closer to the smaller end. Well once I helped him out, first thing Both legs have curled toes. REALLY BAD.

It looks as if the chick is MAKING a Fist, So we made him boots last night, I checked on him today and STILL Toes are curled something Horribly. He can't walk and can't even balance himself on his feet with the boots. IN FACT, with the boots on, He pulls them in and tries to stand as if he's on his Tippy toes.

I'm not even confident this will correct itself. He's getting LOTS of Vitamins right now, but I'm not having a lot of hope here. Is there something more I can do or give him?

Lacrystol said:

OH MISSY KATHY, I NEED YOU, @casportpony


So I had a baby chick externally pipped last night, he was definitely malpositioned,  broke threw the side of his shell closer to the smaller end.  Well once I helped him out, first thing Both legs have curled toes.  REALLY BAD.  

It looks as if the chick is MAKING a Fist, So we made him boots last night, I checked on him today and STILL Toes are curled something Horribly.  He can't walk and can't even balance himself on his feet with the boots.  IN FACT, with the boots on, He pulls them in and tries to stand as if he's on his Tippy toes. 

I'm not even confident this will correct itself.  He's getting LOTS of Vitamins right now, but I'm not having a lot of hope here.  Is there something more I can do or give him?

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Pictures?

-Kathy