Hands on hatching and help

This is day 19 or 20 and this chick is malpositioned in the egg. I know it's not clear in the pic or video but in person, you can definitely tell it's a foot in the air cell. And it looks like it was breathing heavy in the shell but there is no pip yet. Is that what it is doing? Is there anything I can do to help this chick? And it's peeping a lot in the shell.

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Heh, way too much I understand instinctually but can't explain, lol... I was going under double barred males cuz that's all I've ever worked with as well... knew it was sex linked just missed the single barred male bit...
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Just go with they are mutts and barring won't help sex them... will give you less frustration later, lol...
That was the conclusion I drew from once I found out the parent's. He just said they were black sex links from his barred and his reds, but when I questioned something it wasn't making sense, so after talking to my sister and finding out that these were from birds that he bought as hatchery "sex links" I figured out what was going on. I told her to tell him if he wants real sex linked chicks he needs to get pure barred and reds and not have mixed roos in there and then he'd have sex linked chicks from them. I don't think they understand that sex linked chicks aren't from sex linked birds. I think they are thinking "auto sexed" breeds.

You guys lost me with all the sex link lingo!
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All I know is that silkies are really hard to sex!!
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Remember the woman from Alaske that I told you guys about that bought my eggs....The one that was planning on NOT turning them at all and when I suggested that she not do that, I never heard back from her? Well I heard from her today. She actually bought more eggs from me because the first batch developed but not one egg hatched!! So no experimentation needed. Everyone was right, it was a disaster. She wants more eggs so she can "change her method" and hopefully get some chicks. I didn't say anything like I was thinking ("I told you so"
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), I just said I was sorry she didn't get any chicks and I sent more eggs. I really hope by "changing her methods" she means turning them!
I know how that is!! I had a chick with a broody that never shut up. I mean it cried it's head off 24/7! I think some chicks are just a lot louder then most!
I still have a couple silkies I am not sure of yet. I am sure that 3 maybe 4 are boys. Only one is actually crowing. My big black boy. And he is a pisser. Everytime I walk into the run he goes after my feet. (Usually I have sandles on and it hurts!) He doesn't attack/flog me, he just goes after what he can see moving on the ground. I have to walk in and put my hand out and tell him no, don't do it.....lol The other day after he grabbed my ankle I picked him up and pushed his "hair" out of his eye and we had a heart to heart. I told him every time I he does it I'm going to pick him up an cuddle him so unless he wants to be cuddled he'd better stop...lol

There's him, (who I started calling Shadow,) Blooie, a paint and possible one or two other paints that may be boys. But the Big black one is showing male dominance and flock "protector" so far.

Geeze, they didn't hatch, what a surprise. Don't you want to slap her??

According to my sister my nephew plans on coming and getting the chicks Friday and bringing the guinea eggs.
 
This is day 19 or 20 and this chick is malpositioned in the egg. I know it's not clear in the pic or video but in person, you can definitely tell it's a foot in the air cell. And it looks like it was breathing heavy in the shell but there is no pip yet. Is that what it is doing? Is there anything I can do to help this chick? And it's peeping a lot in the shell.

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Look like a nice high internal pip to me. Tap on the air cell where the beak is and chances are it'll move and tap back. (The triangle shadow should be the beak.)
 
This is day 19 or 20 and this chick is malpositioned in the egg. I know it's not clear in the pic or video but in person, you can definitely tell it's a foot in the air cell. And it looks like it was breathing heavy in the shell but there is no pip yet. Is that what it is doing? Is there anything I can do to help this chick? And it's peeping a lot in the shell.

This is an internal pip and it's right on time. They are supposed to pant. I'm sure it will have an external pip soon. I wouldn't help unless an external pip was made anyways. Survival Raye before then is low..
That was the conclusion I drew from once I found out the parent's. He just said they were black sex links from his barred and his reds, but when I questioned something it wasn't making sense, so after talking to my sister and finding out that these were from birds that he bought as hatchery "sex links" I figured out what was going on. I told her to tell him if he wants real sex linked chicks he needs to get pure barred and reds and not have mixed roos in there and then he'd have sex linked chicks from them. I don't think they understand that sex linked chicks aren't from sex linked birds. I think they are thinking "auto sexed" breeds. I still have a couple silkies I am not sure of yet. I am sure that 3 maybe 4 are boys. Only one is actually crowing. My big black boy. And he is a pisser. Everytime I walk into the run he goes after my feet. (Usually I have sandles on and it hurts!) He doesn't attack/flog me, he just goes after what he can see moving on the ground. I have to walk in and put my hand out and tell him no, don't do it.....lol The other day after he grabbed my ankle I picked him up and pushed his "hair" out of his eye and we had a heart to heart. I told him every time I he does it I'm going to pick him up an cuddle him so unless he wants to be cuddled he'd better stop...lol There's him, (who I started calling Shadow,) Blooie, a paint and possible one or two other paints that may be boys. But the Big black one is showing male dominance and flock "protector" so far. Geeze, they didn't hatch, what a surprise. Don't you want to slap her?? According to my sister my nephew plans on coming and getting the chicks Friday and bringing the guinea eggs.
I actually read in this rooster rescue site that holding and petting them when they do this helps prevent their aggression. It said to pick them up and carry them around while you do chores. Pet and talk soothingly. They said picking them up reaffirms your role as alpha and petting and talking low and soothing teaches them to trust you. Also treats often lol. It's worked for our polish roo. I still found a home for him because we have to many roosters lol but he chases my 4 year old. Nowy 4 year old stops picks him up and carries him around the property lmao. The roo just falls asleep the moment you puck him up now lmao.. :p
 
This is an internal pip and it's right on time. They are supposed to pant. I'm sure it will have an external pip soon. I wouldn't help unless an external pip was made anyways. Survival Raye before then is low..
I actually read in this rooster rescue site that holding and petting them when they do this helps prevent their aggression. It said to pick them up and carry them around while you do chores. Pet and talk soothingly. They said picking them up reaffirms your role as alpha and petting and talking low and soothing teaches them to trust you. Also treats often lol. It's worked for our polish roo. I still found a home for him because we have to many roosters lol but he chases my 4 year old. Nowy 4 year old stops picks him up and carries him around the property lmao. The roo just falls asleep the moment you puck him up now lmao..
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LOL. I heard to use bananas while you hold them. He's not flogging or attacking, but he will go after your feet...lol Tonight he tried doing his little staking his claim dance around me tonight....lol I haven't even seen him do it to the girls yet...lol

I've unfortunately had a few die while learning. The ones that made it took much longer to grow.
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now I don't step in unless absolutely necessary..
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I don't externally pip eggs unless the internal has been made for at least 24 hours or it doesn't look like they are going to hatch. If I do decide to pip, I don't count it as a progressive pip and I give them much more time to progress to zip before even thinking about assisting.
 
Oh :( Was it just an external pip or did you pull them all the way out?

It had made an internal pip and I made an air hole in the very top of the egg and it passed by the next morning. The second time it had internally pipped for well over 24 hours. I removed the shell but left the membrane. It did hatch but it had alot of problems we had to overcome..


LOL. I heard to use bananas while you hold them. He's not flogging or attacking, but he will go after your feet...lol Tonight he tried doing his little staking his claim dance around me tonight....lol I haven't even seen him do it to the girls yet...lol
Lol one of my polish does that when I set him down. He also does it to the other rooster though so I think he is just confused lmao..

I don't externally pip eggs unless the internal has been made for at least 24 hours or it doesn't look like they are going to hatch.  If I do decide to pip, I don't count it as a progressive pip and I give them much more time to progress to zip before even thinking about assisting.

X2 this is how I am now. The other 2 were when I first started.
 
I was a bit more cautious at first and some I helped too late, some too soon. Then I followed the hourly guidelines and some it was too late. I have become comfortable with putting viewing holes in eggs that I suspect are having problems and utilizing that to assist them in whatever way is needed. With these two eggs I am having issues with way too much liquid being in the eggs. I lost the third last night because apparently it pipped and then drowned. Fingers crossed that my success with this technique continues. One of the chicks I opened today had internally pipped but was malpositioned and also in a lot of liquid. I didn't know it had internally pipped when I opened it. I was able to position the egg to lower the risk of drowning and I will keep checking back to see when it looks like it is ready to come out.

Really, I suppose it comes down to knowing your own capabilities and remembering that this is another living beings life in your hand, and being overly cautious is probably more fair to the chick than recklessness, whether you intend to be or not.
 

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