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5/4/12 at 3:12pm

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This document compares the SafeFood/SafeFeed guidelines to FDA regulations for nonmedicated facilities and feeds .which is why we believe it's a good program for those types of facilities. King feeds, however, is a licensed medicated facility and the standards and controls are much more stringent than for nonmedicated facilities.

Sandy.

What would give you impression that SafeFood/SafeFeed guidelines to FDA regulations are for nonmedicated facilities and feeds?

Here's a quote right from the link I posted.

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A. Safe Feed/Safe Food Policy, Management, Control of Documents & Records, Communication and Review

5 The following records are maintained as appropriate to the product: (BSE feed rule,

medicated feed, formula/mixing instructions, production records, drug assays, and label ﬁles).

Most of the feed mfg. that I know of that are participating in the SafeFood/SafeFeed program make both medicated and non-medicated feeds.

Two of these feed companies for example would be Mars/Buckeye Nutrition and Kent Nutrition Group (sister mill to Evergreen and Blue Seal).

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Edited by Chris09 - 5/4/12 at 3:18pm

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard

"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." –

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard

"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." –

George Washington

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5/10/12 at 12:46am

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Diatomaceous Earth

Many people are familiar with the use of diatomaceous earth as a natural way to control mites, however, when added to poultry feed, diatomaceous earth may enhance production including: better feed conversion and weight gains, more eggs and heavier, larger eggs containing more albumen and yolk.

I would be interested in knowing where this information came from. Specifically, the studies done to show this.

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5/10/12 at 2:48pm

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Kathy

The diatomaceous earth studies were conducted by the Avian Research Center at the University of British Columbia by D. C. Bennet et al. The study is entitled "Effect of Diatomaceous Earth on parasite load, egg production and egg quality of free-range organic laying hens". In addition, the study concluded that DE was effective in managing parasite loads.

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5/10/12 at 2:53pm

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For people that are looking for GMO free poultry feed, we produce both a 95% organic feed and a new Freedom GMO-Free Layuer Pellet. The latter is currently in testing and expected to be released in June. .

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5/10/12 at 2:57pm

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The diatomaceous earth studies were conducted by the Avian Research Center at the University of British Columbia by D. C. Bennet et al. The study is entitled "Effect of Diatomaceous Earth on parasite load, egg production and egg quality of free-range organic laying hens". In addition, the study concluded that DE was effective in managing parasite loads.

I found that pdf document HERE. Thank you.

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5/10/12 at 2:58pm

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I would be interested in knowing where this information came from. Specifically, the studies done to show this.

This link takes you to the abstract of the study in question:

http://ps.fass.org/content/90/7/1416.abstract

The following link will initiate the download of the full text article (I would post as an attachment but I apparently don't have the permission to do so):

Link to full-text PDF download

ETA: I was 51 seconds late! glad you found it :)

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5/10/12 at 3:05pm

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The results of this study indicate the DE has the potential to be an effective treatment to help control parasites and improve production of organically raised, free-range layer hens.

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5/26/12 at 6:36am

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Joy

The Natural feed definition by AAFCO does not require that the ingredients be free of pesticides or organic which is why we didn't mention it in the article. We realize that many people have concerns about pesticides, gmo grains, soy, etc. which is why we offer a variety of poultry feeds. Organic is the way to go to ensure the ingredients are pesticide and gmo free. Our organic line is USDA certified 95% organic and contains many of the health ingredients that we include in the natural line. We also have a new Freedom line that is gmo and soy free. Sandy

I am confused...are you an associate of the OP for her company, or are you talking about another brand? Who are yountalking about when you say "we" and "our"?

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I'm not a rooster, but I reserve the right to crow! 1 husband who wants a rooster and will not get it, one son who flew the coop, one lovely german shepherd, one amazing adopted farm dog, three gold sex links, two who hit 17 weeks old the first week of July and laid first eggs 7-15-12!!

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5/26/12 at 7:20am

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Joy

I wanted to provide further clarification on pesticide residue and feeds. The FDA has set residue tolerances on some pesticides in feed & feed ingredients. If that tolerance is exceeded, the feed is considered adulterated. Other pesticides do not have an FDA residue tolerance, so any amount would be considered an adulteration. (We are licensed by the FDA as a medicated feed facility). If a consumer does not accet FDA's tolerances, they would probably want to go organic, BUT, even a percentage of organic foods show up with pesticide residues.

And isnt that just another problem with pesticides? They do not stay where they are put. And I'm sorry, but trace residue on organic foods does not serve as an excuse to dismiss concerns about pesticides in general or the higher levels present on non organic foods.

Natural, to me, means unadulterated: non gmo (!!!), not poisoned with fungicides, pesticides, and/or grown in depleted soil with tons of manufactured fertilizers. What was the source for your claim of what most people believe "natural" means? Sadly, the verbage has to regulated now since it was abused, which is in no way the fault of your particular company, as far as I know. And I assume the only one of your feeds that is free of gmo products is the organic one?

Editorial is a nice way to get info out, but the way you wrote was a bit dismissive of the concerns people have. I found myself mildly irritated and looks like others were, also. I do not own chickens so they can eat the exact same thing they would be getting in factory farms: I have them because I want eggs from a chicken that does NOT eat that food. I have resigned myself to trying to grow my own blend of feed so I can avoid corn and soy.

I do have a bit of advice: the best way to get a customer to change the product they use is to provide a sample of your product. It is the best form of advertising that exists, IMO. I often bypass products because I do not want to spend money on an unknown that ends up in the trash. Offer a one or two pound sample size for a reasonable price. Take the added expense from the advertising budget. Pet food companies, and retail stores have all found this practice worth the expense. Next time you go shopping, pay attention to the sample food booths: publix, sams, bjs, whole foods, petco, petsmart, etc....

Also, even if I can afford a high quality brand not offered locally, the shipping costs put it out of my budget. Offer shipping cost deals for groups who get together to make a bulk purchase (co-op) and help people find a group to join. Create a map that shows three things: your existing commercial outlets, existing co-op groups, and proposed co-op groups. Use different icons to differentiate. The online form you use for co-ops proposals should include their contact info for you (not the public), as well as monthly feed needs, and which of your lines of feed are desired.

I'm not a rooster, but I reserve the right to crow! 1 husband who wants a rooster and will not get it, one son who flew the coop, one lovely german shepherd, one amazing adopted farm dog, three gold sex links, two who hit 17 weeks old the first week of July and laid first eggs 7-15-12!!

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I'm not a rooster, but I reserve the right to crow! 1 husband who wants a rooster and will not get it, one son who flew the coop, one lovely german shepherd, one amazing adopted farm dog, three gold sex links, two who hit 17 weeks old the first week of July and laid first eggs 7-15-12!!

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5/29/12 at 11:14am