Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

I am worried that since so few people are working with these breeds and the genetics....I will not find the experts if I keep to one thread. Haha.
you will quickly find out that even people working with a breed for 30 years know few about the breed genetics...

and educators like me that have never worked with a specific breed know their genetics just by looking at them, why? genetic is a Science and chicken genetics apply to all chickens... and the laws of genetics apply to most living organism
 
Female tails.

I'm placing a series of photos here for discussion. Some of my hens have seen a certain amount of attention this spring so pardon the overall feathers. What I am looking at is the out line of the tail.

Our draft Am. SOP is below. What do you think is the better amongst these tails? My comments below are based on the pose in the photo, which as we all know isn't everything. I'm doing this to gain experience, so if you see it differently or the same, please comment. For this breed to be breed to a standard, we need to know what that standard says and looks like.

Tail: Moderately long, carried at an angle of thirty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Coverts—broad and abundant, extending well onto main tail.






Angle close to 35 degree tail could be fuller in coverts.




Front tail fuller coverts.



Tail pinched.


Juvenile: Rather nice spread tail, abundant coverts, a smidge high in photo. She is running.



Another running juvenile. Perhaps better angle. Less full but very like silhouette in British Poultry Standards.



Juvenile full tail. Carried high. Nice coverts.

Below 4 photos, two juveniles females and juvenile male, please see question at bottom.









Ok, the above series. Two juvenile females and a juvenile male. Is the fuller fan, despite being high (again running) better or is the tail that sweeps best seen in the top three better?

I'm going to go and look at the Scar Top poultry hens again.

Looking forward to the feedback.

Cheers all.
 
Fuller tail is better
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. Beautiful pics! Your girls seem to have just a bit of growing to do, but the second pic from the bottom seems to be just about perfect! When judging tail angle, try to either cage your bird or (if they're trained) pose them on a table. Obviously, live birds move and change position almost constantly lol.
 
Quote: Beautiful baby! I LOVE Curlies!
park mule and babymakes6 -- Fabulous art -- I really love them.

babymakes6 you have Lipizanners? Do you do dressage? We need an art gallery for Chickens and non-chicken art -- just to be able to see them. AWESOME.

and Park mule -- you have mules..... wow...that is SO interesting.

Oh, I forgot -- this is a chicken thread...LOL
NO-I do not have any horses...
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I've been waiting all my life for one, but it still hasn't happened. This was from the Lipizanners who travel across the US and perform.
Ok, actually, i do not have mules. The name "parkmule" is an old one I picked up when I was packing mules in Yosemite NP.
I am involved in the foundation breeding a for new breed of horses called Drum Horses. They are a heavy riding horse, much like a Clydesdale.
I currently own the only sliver bay stallion registered with the IDHA. Here is a fun picture of our stallion and gelding playing.
He is BEAUTIFUL! Both are, actually. What a fun picture!
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I would rather have a high fuller tail than a lower pinched one.

I' m with you on this one, GaryDean and here's why. If a bird has a pinched tail it is always pinched. It is the how the feathers come out of the tail. Tail carriage will vary to a certain amount based on what the bird is doing or thinking ( well, thinking in the loosest sense, they are chickens after all!).

Just this morning I was looking at my roo and he was hanging out with the girls just chilling and his tail was pretty low, maybe 30 degrees but if he is randy or on guard his tail significantly comes up and is probably more like 75 degrees or more.

So in my mind pinched= anatomical, carriage= anatomy+ behavior expression. I would breed out the one that is anatomy first then work on carriage.
 
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