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This info is from 1998, a bit outdated on the genetics front. Porter's site is current & updated regularly. I would trust it rather than this 1.
Looking too similar to tell at this point. Can you get legs side-by-side like you did snoods? At this point, looks like 2 the same gender, but can't tell which gender. It may be easier to tell in a week or 2. A male will be noticably bigger than a female. Oh, and the 1 you are calling lilac is lavender. Ralphie has the lilacs.
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They do look pretty similar snood wise.. I'll get a pic of their feet together... if they will both sit still. :/ lilac, lavender.. sigh. I need to do some more reading! They are both a purple color so I thought it was the same! Haha.
Only 1 real difference between the 2 colors. Both require a double slate gene. Lavender is black with 2 slate genes. Lilac is bronze with 2 slate genes. Colorwise, lavender is the same pale blue color all over. Lilac is the pale blue with red tints on tail & wings.
Here is a side by side. The chocolate has more "texture" on the bottom of his feet.. you can kind of see it on the outside middle toe. I measured them bottom to bottom as best I could. About the same. Thanks for your help!
At this point, with prominent snoods & chunky legs, I'm guessing 2 toms. If there's a distinct difference in about 2 weeks, I may change my prediction. I'm about 75% sure it's 2 males.
 
Silkie being completely confused now,

What do I get if I breed JJ to Ethel?


JJ to the blue?



JJ to the self blue?

And the Self blue to Ethel, not that JJ would ever allow that.
 
So, is Lilac bronze based while Lavender is black based?  That is why the Lilac poults don't have a mask?

Let's say I have a male and female.  I could potentially have black turkeys because they are both black based?  I thought I understood this... but I am not so sure now.

I'm not sure about chocolate genetics. I will have to look it up. Haven't had chocolates yet.
 
I have to tell you Silkie, Ethel is not happy with you today, I told her it was because of you her eggs are missing, she is walking around making lots of racket about the missing eggs,
 
Silkie being completely confused now,

What do I get if I breed JJ to Ethel?


JJ to the blue?



JJ to the self blue?

And the Self blue to Ethel, not that JJ would ever allow that.


JJ & Ethel are both lilac, which breeds true, so all lilacs.

If you breed lilac to blue or lavender, this is where the wierd combinations pop up.

Lilac is bronze with double slate.
Blue is black with single slate.
Lavender is black with double slate.

Lilac to blue has potential to give: blue, red slate, lilac & lavender (not sure if any others are possible) depending on what genes are passed.

Lilac to lavender should only give lavender & lilac because all will inherit double slate genes.
 
Dang! I need a hen! I guess we will see what happens...

Thanks for all your help! And thanks for the easier to understand description of the Lilac and Lavender!

I bet Ethel is furious! Good thing you blamed Silkie... that way she won't take it out on you.

Man, all this trying to figure out the breeds and possible breed outcomes makes my head spin. I may need to soothe my frantic nerves and mind with another cup of coffee. Irish coffee.
 
I have to tell you Silkie, Ethel is not happy with you today,  I told her it was because of you her eggs are missing, she is walking around making lots of racket about the missing eggs,

It's ok. I get blamed for everything. I'm used to it.
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So, is Lilac bronze based while Lavender is black based?  That is why the Lilac poults don't have a mask?

Let's say I have a male and female.  I could potentially have black turkeys because they are both black based?  I thought I understood this... but I am not so sure now.

I'm not sure about chocolate genetics. I will have to look it up. Haven't had chocolates yet.

http://m.porterturkeys.com/site/mob...bs&fw_sig_locale=en-US&fb_sig_network=fw#1111
According to Porter's a true chocolate is a diluted black. Not sure how that dilution gene affects things. But with the double slate in the lavender, you will never get black, because all babies will carry 1 slate gene. Blue would be an option, also probably chocolate slates???

Dang!  I need a hen!  I guess we will see what happens...

Thanks for all your help!  And thanks for the easier to understand description of the Lilac and Lavender!

I bet Ethel is furious!  Good thing you blamed Silkie... that way she won't take it out on you.

Man, all this trying to figure out the breeds and possible breed outcomes makes my head spin.  I may need to soothe my frantic nerves and mind with another cup of coffee.  Irish coffee.

I just stuck in another 20 eggs. Already had about 25 in. Some are from the blue slates, the rest are from my mixed pen, where everyone is bronze based except the royal palm. With the red slate tom & lilac hen, I should get some lilac & red slate from the mixed pen. I can ship eggs & birds both if you need either.
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Quote: Unlike @SilkieSensation I am not convinced that either are toms.

Another test that you can try is to hold the poult resting on its back in your hand. If the poult pulls its legs in to its chest that indicates a hen and if it keeps its legs churning or holds one or both up or to the back that indicates a tom.

@Celie did a post about identifying sex on poults a number of years ago. When all the comparisons are used and not just one or two, she is extremely accurate on sexing poults.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/725829/turkeys-for-2013/2750

One other indicator is the shape of the head when looking down on the head. A young tom will have a more triangular head while a young hen's head will look more like it will fit between two parallel lines.

Using Celie's method and behavior patterns, I was 100% accurate on sexing poults last year. Her tests and watching behavior patterns are ones that you have to do yourself and someone else cannot sex them from photos for you.
 

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