Black crested White Polish

[Egg Snatcher]

@I Like Turkeys, I don’t know if your polish are beaded, watch out for scissor beak if they are.

 

[NagemTX]

The araucana test issue can easily be lessened by not breeding two tufted together. It's the homozygous gene that causes issues

I think the short legged ones can be done that way as well. I just don't get breeding for those traits when they cause problems. I'm that way about frizzle as well. And some intentualy breed the two together.

 

[I Like Turkeys]

I think the short legged ones can be done that way as well. I just don't get breeding for those traits when they cause problems. I'm that way about frizzle as well. And some intentualy breed the two together.

I’m with you on those points. About frizzles, I’ve seen people admit to purposely breeding frazzles to “get a better curl.” It’s infuriating, something I feel especially because I own a frazzle. She absolutely can not function like a normal chicken, between the feather loss and complete inability to fly.
I don’t get why people would purposefully breed more of those. Breeding a heterozygous bird to one without the gene gives the same exact statistic of gene-carriers anyways, since all of these lethal or semi-lethal genes you brought up are dominant.

@I Like Turkeys, I don’t know if your polish are beaded, watch out for scissor beak if they are.

BCW are non-bearded, and i intend to keep it that way. A lot of breeders will bring beards in because they look nice, but BCW aren’t recognized as a bearded variety, so I don’t see the point. Beards also make polish harder to sex. Since their combs are so small, I rely on the visible wattles to see when a pullet is maturing, and see whether any cockerels are beginning to show themselves. Not something I want to lose. I’m definitely watching out for defects and deformities though.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

I’m with you on those points. About frizzles, I’ve seen people admit to purposely breeding frazzles to “get a better curl.” It’s infuriating, something I feel especially because I own a frazzle. She absolutely can not function like a normal chicken, between the feather loss and complete inability to fly.
I don’t get why people would purposefully breed more of those. Breeding a heterozygous bird to one without the gene gives the same exact statistic of gene-carriers anyways, since all of these lethal or semi-lethal genes you brought up are dominant.

BCW are non-bearded, and i intend to keep it that way. A lot of breeders will bring beards in because they look nice, but BCW aren’t recognized as a bearded variety, so I don’t see the point. Beards also make polish harder to sex. Since their combs are so small, I rely on the visible wattles to see when a pullet is maturing, and see whether any cockerels are beginning to show themselves. Not something I want to lose. I’m definitely watching out for defects and deformities though.

I'm not a huge fan of bearded polish. My buff laced was adorable bearded, but she's the only one I ever had that had a beard. Everyone else was/nonbearded. They're derpy enough, they don't need even more blind spots. My male makes my silkie male, David, look like Einstein, which is incredibly far from the truth

 

[NagemTX]

Is the beard gene some how linked with the cross beak issue?

 

[ElPaso]

Is the beard gene some how linked with the cross beak issue?

Good question. I've never had a breaded bird with cross beak. But have had nonbearded ones.

 

[Egg Snatcher]

Sorry @I Like Turkeys if I’m high jacking your tread with the scissor beak

Is the beard gene some how linked with the cross beak issue?

Yes. I did some research on scissor beak. I had several chick get it in my Brown Red Mottled D’Uccles project and was wondering why. Here is the website and a summary of what I found. Also have this posted in my thread.
According to https://onceuponachicken.com/is-cross-beak-genetic/

• There are two types of scissor beak inheritable and Non- inheritable.
• Inheritable is noticeable when the chicks get older
• Non-inheritable is when the chick hatches out with the deformity. Caused by temperature being two high during incubation.
• Birds with beards or crest are more prone to getting scissor beak
• “cross beak appears to display some kind of complex recessive inheritance.” Breeding two parents with scissor beak can produce normal chicks.
• Can cause eye deformities
• May have something to do with bone protein
• Sigrid Van Dort says a bird with scissor beak can be used it a breeding program but bc it it a recessive gene it could pop up in future generations.

 

[I Like Turkeys]

Good question. I've never had a breaded bird with cross beak. But have had nonbearded ones.

I’ve only ever had bearded birds show crossbeak. 4 so far. 2 in my Easter eggers, whom I suspect to simply carry the genes for beak deformities, and 2 of my bantam ameraucanas. Whether that was genetics or an incubator mishap, i Don’t know.

Sorry @I Like Turkeys if I’m high jacking your tread with the scissor beak

Yes. I did some research on scissor beak. I had several chick get it in my Brown Red Mottled D’Uccles project and was wondering why. Here is the website and a summary of what I found. Also have this posted in my thread.
According to https://onceuponachicken.com/is-cross-beak-genetic/

• There are two types of scissor beak inheritable and Non- inheritable.
• Inheritable is noticeable when the chicks get older
• Non-inheritable is when the chick hatches out with the deformity. Caused by temperature being two high during incubation.
• Birds with beards or crest are more prone to getting scissor beak
• “cross beak appears to display some kind of complex recessive inheritance.” Breeding two parents with scissor beak can produce normal chicks.
• Can cause eye deformities
• May have something to do with bone protein
• Sigrid Van Dort says a bird with scissor beak can be used it a breeding program but bc it it a recessive gene it could pop up in future generations.

I don’t mind. You explained it better than I could. My understanding of the topic boiled down to “beards don’t cause crossbeak, but bearded birds are just a bit more likely to show crossbeak than a non bearded bird.”

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Other than my silkies, which I know who's passing it down, my cross beaks have all been either muffed and not bearded, or completely clean faced

 

[NagemTX]

I've only had it in my Ameraucanas. Granted I've not had chickens as long as some have. Ameraucanas are prone to it as well.