Gmo's

[Miss Lydia]

I just read through this thread. I guess what I find most surprising is that the pro-gmo camp is so radical. Why is it so difficult to accept that different people have different opinions? It's like getting furious at someone for the political party they advocate!

In the European Union, fresh produce has to indicate on the label whether or not it's GMO... not only that, but foods containing GM additives have to say so on the label. In the US a petition to have GM foods labeled as such was filed this past October by the Center for Food Safety. This begs the question - if people don't have any issue eating GM foods, why not just label and give the consumer the choice? The answer is probably that a lot of people feel uneasy about GM foods, and would maybe choose not to buy them if they had the choice.

Btw although I'm not sure if it's available everywhere, Fertrell's feed doesn't contain GM grain. It costs maybe $2 or $3 more than Flock Raiser for a 50lb sack.

They don't sell Fertrell in my part of the country

 

[aa3655]

Try this website, maybe you can find something in your area: http://nongmosourcebook.com/index.php

 

[Miss Lydia]

http://gmo.mercola.com/ In case anyone is interested.

 

[Cottage Rose]

Try this website, maybe you can find something in your area: http://nongmosourcebook.com/index.php

THANK YOU for this link/source!

 

[Miss Lydia]

I can only find 1 sourse for non GMO feed in my area, and i have to drive over 100 miles round trip to get it and my chickens and ducks and goose really aren't fond of it, It's very dusty too. So I am back to Purina Flock Raiser,

What a bummer.

 

[Cottage Rose]

Miss Lydia
I think I'm going to attempt to mix up my own feed rations by getting non GMO grain products from the local Amish community.
I also have concerns about feeding commerical feeds containing soy
(they all use soy now since the Mad Cow Disease debacle) which is a plant estrogen and can mess with fertility.
Even humans are advised not to consume soy more than 3 times a week because of this.
I will have to invest in a grinder but it may be well worth the cost and effort to see if this will help with my flock of geese
which have been having loss of libido and low fertility the last few years.
I suspect the problem MIGHT be from a combo of the show lines I've acquired over the last few years and GMO/soy
since prior to the last few years I did not have any problems under the same management.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Miss Lydia
I think I'm going to attempt to mix up my own feed rations by getting non GMO grain products from the local Amish community.
I also have concerns about feeding commerical feeds containing soy
(they all use soy now since the Mad Cow Disease debacle) which is a plant estrogen and can mess with fertility.
Even humans are advised not to consume soy more than 3 times a week because of this.
I will have to invest in a grinder but it may be well worth the cost and effort to see if this will help with my flock of geese
which have been having loss of libido and low fertility the last few years.
I suspect the problem MIGHT be from a combo of the show lines I've acquired over the last few years and GMO/soy
since prior to the last few years I did not have any problems under the same management.

Please let us know how this goes and how you get on using your own grains, i have thought about that myself but not having many Amish around here it limits me on where to buy. I wish you the best. I have been reading more and more about GMOs and I can tell you it has really changed my way of grocery shopping and thinking about the big agri in general.

 

[Cottage Rose]

Will for sure let you know.

 

[Cottage Rose]

MORE GMO INFO:

Russian Scientists Find Third Generation of Hamsters Sterilized by GM Soy

This study, which was conducted by the Russian equivalent of the US National Association for Gene Security, has not yet been published, but its findings were recently announced. It’s anticipated that the details will be published later this summer.

The release of this new information provides yet another health risk, and confirmation on earlier problems related to fertility, birth weight of offspring, and infant mortality.

In this feeding study they used hamsters, an animal which has not been previously featured in GM safety studies.

One group of hamsters was fed a normal diet without any soy whatsoever, a second group was fed non-GMO soy, a third ate GM soy, and a fourth group ate an even higher amount of GM soy than the third.

Using the same genetically modified (GM) soy that is produced on over 90 percent of the soy acreage in the US, the hamsters and their offspring were fed their respective diets over a period of two years, during which time the researchers evaluated three generations of hamsters.

First they took five pairs of hamsters from each group, each of which produced about seven to eight litters each, totaling about 140 animals.

At first all went well, but serious problems became apparent when they selected new pairs from the offspring.

The first problem was that this second generation had a slower growth rate and reached their sexual maturity later than normal.

However, this second generation eventually generated another 39 litters:

•The no-soy control group had 52 pups
•The non-GM soy had 78
•The GM soy had only 40, of which 25 percent died
So these second-generation GM soy-fed hamsters had a five-fold higher infant mortality rate, compared to the 5 percent normal death rate that was happening in the controls.

Nearly All of the Third-Generation GMO Babies Were Sterile!

But then an even bigger problem became apparent, because nearly all of the third generation hamsters lost the ability to have babies altogether.
Only a single third-generation female hamster gave birth to 16 pups, and of those, one fifth died.
In short, nearly the entire third generation of GM soy eaters were sterile!
But it doesn’t end there.
the GM soy-fed groups they also found an unusually high prevalence of an otherwise extremely rare phenomenon – hair growing inside the animals’ mouths.
Says Smith:

“… it’s a very rare phenomenon but he [study author, Dr. Surov] had never in his life seen more hair in mouths of hamsters than with these GM soy-fed, third generation hamsters.”

As you may know, genetically modified crops weren’t released until 1996, starting with GM soy, corn and cotton. Modified canola came about a year later.
Please remember humans have MUCH longer life spans than rats and that GMO foods were only introduced in 1996. This is LESS than one generation.
So we’re still nowhere near seeing the full effects of these potential ramifications in humans, as we’re only about 15 years into it. But if the effects are anything like the effects on numerous types of animals, we could be looking at sterility on a grand scale as our great-grandchildren grow up and begin to try to procreate...
The fact that the US is completely unwilling to implement the precautionary principle with regards to GM foods is incomprehensible in light of the findings we already have from animal studies.
Additionally, some 800 genetically engineered food applications have been submitted to the USDA, but not one single environmental impact statement has been prepared. So not only are human health ramifications ignored, but the entire eco system is being jeopardized.

For full article with videos:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... NL_HTL_gmo

 

[Miss Lydia]

MORE GMO INFO:
Russian Scientists Find Third Generation of Hamsters Sterilized by GM Soy
This study, which was conducted by the Russian equivalent of the US National Association for Gene Security, has not yet been published, but its findings were recently announced. It’s anticipated that the details will be published later this summer.
The release of this new information provides yet another health risk, and confirmation on earlier problems related to fertility, birth weight of offspring, and infant mortality.
In this feeding study they used hamsters, an animal which has not been previously featured in GM safety studies.
One group of hamsters was fed a normal diet without any soy whatsoever, a second group was fed non-GMO soy, a third ate GM soy, and a fourth group ate an even higher amount of GM soy than the third.
Using the same genetically modified (GM) soy that is produced on over 90 percent of the soy acreage in the US, the hamsters and their offspring were fed their respective diets over a period of two years, during which time the researchers evaluated three generations of hamsters.
First they took five pairs of hamsters from each group, each of which produced about seven to eight litters each, totaling about 140 animals.
At first all went well, but serious problems became apparent when they selected new pairs from the offspring.
The first problem was that this second generation had a slower growth rate and reached their sexual maturity later than normal.
However, this second generation eventually generated another 39 litters:
•The no-soy control group had 52 pups
•The non-GM soy had 78
•The GM soy had only 40, of which 25 percent died
So these second-generation GM soy-fed hamsters had a five-fold higher infant mortality rate, compared to the 5 percent normal death rate that was happening in the controls.
Nearly All of the Third-Generation GMO Babies Were Sterile!
But then an even bigger problem became apparent, because nearly all of the third generation hamsters lost the ability to have babies altogether.
Only a single third-generation female hamster gave birth to 16 pups, and of those, one fifth died.
In short, nearly the entire third generation of GM soy eaters were sterile!
But it doesn’t end there.
the GM soy-fed groups they also found an unusually high prevalence of an otherwise extremely rare phenomenon – hair growing inside the animals’ mouths.
Says Smith:
“… it’s a very rare phenomenon but he [study author, Dr. Surov] had never in his life seen more hair in mouths of hamsters than with these GM soy-fed, third generation hamsters.”
As you may know, genetically modified crops weren’t released until 1996, starting with GM soy, corn and cotton. Modified canola came about a year later.
Please remember humans have MUCH longer life spans than rats and that GMO foods were only introduced in 1996. This is LESS than one generation.
So we’re still nowhere near seeing the full effects of these potential ramifications in humans, as we’re only about 15 years into it. But if the effects are anything like the effects on numerous types of animals, we could be looking at sterility on a grand scale as our great-grandchildren grow up and begin to try to procreate...
The fact that the US is completely unwilling to implement the precautionary principle with regards to GM foods is incomprehensible in light of the findings we already have from animal studies.
Additionally, some 800 genetically engineered food applications have been submitted to the USDA, but not one single environmental impact statement has been prepared. So not only are human health ramifications ignored, but the entire eco system is being jeopardized.
For full article with videos:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... NL_HTL_gmo

Another way of population control. very sad.
Well they aren't happy messing with our food now they are using GMO animals.. what next? http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...tically-engineered-goats-produce-vaccine.aspx