What's the breed club site? I am following all these Delaware discussions with fascination!
Here are my Delaware chicks from week 1 to week 15
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Hi rustyswoman
Thank you very much for the good words on my Delawares. The smuttiness is in the backs of my males. I choose for size & type over color and my larger males were the most smuttines. They are only 15 weeks old and have a lot of time to lose most of the smuttiness. I am very happy you like the pictures of my Delawares and I will keep posting pictures of them every week.
Thank You TNpoultrybreeder
Hi rustyswoman
Thank you very much for the good words on my Delawares. The smuttiness is in the backs of my males. I choose for size & type over color and my larger males were the most smuttines. They are only 15 weeks old and have a lot of time to lose most of the smuttiness. I am very happy you like the pictures of my Delawares and I will keep posting pictures of them every week.
Thank You TNpoultrybreeder
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Hi joletbey
Here is a link to a site that is all about the Delaware breed http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/delaware_chickens/
Here is a link to the Delaware Club of America http://www.delawareclub.org/
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Hi joletbey
Here is a link to a site that is all about the Delaware breed http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/delaware_chickens/
Here is a link to the Delaware Club of America http://www.delawareclub.org/
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Hi walkswithdog
You say my delawares look small well the male you plan to use in the breeding pen is Gallant and at 19 weeks old https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 he looks no larger or if as large as my 15 week old delaware male. Here is a picture of your Gallant at 19 weeks old http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w328/walkswithdog/Soggy%20Hollar%20Farm/variedfarmphotosand073.jpg
Here is a picture of my Delaware male at 15 weeks old
I am very glad you culled Luciano and Goofus https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 . I will keep the link to your 19 week old Delaware ( Gallant ) and when my Delawares are 19 weeks old I will post a side by side picture of them so we can compare the size of them. Here is a link to the American Poultry Association http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/index.htm you should buy a copy of the American Standard of Perfection it will help you in your poultry breeding. It will help you understand breed types as in Luciano looks very much like a Columbian Rock in type & color. It will help you understand poor Condition & Vigor as in Goofus. Dont get mad for people out there telling me they like my Delawares. If you need good talk about your Delawares ( walkswithdog ) post pictures of them. I am sure you will have people out there that will say good things about your Delawares to. I am very thankful for the good things people say about my Delawares and I am very sorry if that it makes you mad (walkswithdog).
TNpoultrybreeder
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Hi walkswithdog
You say my delawares look small well the male you plan to use in the breeding pen is Gallant and at 19 weeks old https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 he looks no larger or if as large as my 15 week old delaware male. Here is a picture of your Gallant at 19 weeks old http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w328/walkswithdog/Soggy%20Hollar%20Farm/variedfarmphotosand073.jpg
Here is a picture of my Delaware male at 15 weeks old
I am very glad you culled Luciano and Goofus https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 . I will keep the link to your 19 week old Delaware ( Gallant ) and when my Delawares are 19 weeks old I will post a side by side picture of them so we can compare the size of them. Here is a link to the American Poultry Association http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/index.htm you should buy a copy of the American Standard of Perfection it will help you in your poultry breeding. It will help you understand breed types as in Luciano looks very much like a Columbian Rock in type & color. It will help you understand poor Condition & Vigor as in Goofus. Dont get mad for people out there telling me they like my Delawares. If you need good talk about your Delawares ( walkswithdog ) post pictures of them. I am sure you will have people out there that will say good things about your Delawares to. I am very thankful for the good things people say about my Delawares and I am very sorry if that it makes you mad (walkswithdog).
TNpoultrybreeder
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Hi walkswithdog
You say my delawares look small well the male you plan to use in the breeding pen is Gallant and at 19 weeks old https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 he looks no larger or if as large as my 15 week old delaware male. Here is a picture of your Gallant at 19 weeks old http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w328/walkswithdog/Soggy%20Hollar%20Farm/variedfarmphotosand073.jpg
Here is a picture of my Delaware male at 15 weeks old https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/28420_close_up_of_my_delaware_male.jpg
I am very glad you culled Luciano and Goofus https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 . I will keep the link to your 19 week old Delaware ( Gallant ) and when my Delawares are 19 weeks old I will post a side by side picture of them so we can compare the size of them. Here is a link to the American Poultry Association http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/index.htm you should buy a copy of the American Standard of Perfection it will help you in your poultry breeding. It will help you understand breed types as in Luciano looks very much like a Columbian Rock in type & color. It will help you understand poor Condition & Vigor as in Goofus. Dont get mad for people out there telling me they like my Delawares. If you need good talk about your Delawares ( walkswithdog ) post pictures of them. I am sure you will have people out there that will say good things about your Delawares to. I am very thankful for the good things people say about my Delawares and I am very sorry if that it makes you mad (walkswithdog).
TNpoultrybreeder
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I am glad you're looking. But Gallant is wider, shoulder, back and pelvis in those pictures. I've read the standard, and have it, and actually listened to breeders, not come to my own conclusions based on my own interpetation and only my own hatchery birds to draw conclusions from.
I'm content with the feedback I am getting from actual breeders. People with some experience have given me good input and guidance. Photos are subject first to the quality of photo and second to someone's experience. Since the guidance I'm getting from people who do breed the breed, is being followed and mirrors some of my own impressions, I'll stick with that. It certainly worked for them.
If you're happy with the feedback from people new to the breed and your own interpretation and focus, go for it.
When I get into a new breed I take the criticism of long time breeders seriously. That's how I find things improve most rapidly. It's how I suggest anyone new to a breed learn. Most good breeders gladly share their mistakes and mis-steps and success so you don't have to repeat them - because they love the breed.
You want to fly it on your own interpretations, have at it. Not my thing.
I heartily suggest anyone interested in the breed look for show and heritage flock mentors with years of experience. Learn where to get birds that will start you out right, or improve what you buy when you don't know any other source. It's okay not to know it all when you start in a breed. Research, breed clubs, people who've been working the breed for awhile - those are your best source of information.
As you've seen my birds are not perfect. They're a mixed source starter flock that I've culled from a much larger number of birds with the help of several good Delaware breeders and knowledgeable poultry breeders.
I post mostly for those newly attracted to the breed, newly involved. I want them to find the mentors, and the good resources that will get them a fast start to better birds. I knew hatchery birds would be seriously flawed but with representatives from several sources I knew also that I would "learn" to see differences more quickly. Since I have a background in flock improvement I wanted a wider experience and could afford to waste money growing out birds I figured would not work into the flock in the end. So I went with three sources, for the wider experience. Most folks would like to start with better birds and just "be there already" and that's great.
Breeders, heritage and show that have been working lines for long periods of time have the better birds. And it's those people I point people newly interested in Delawares to.
Anyone with questions about referrals please feel free to email me, remember the breed club is always a good start. Delawares are awesome and a good start is not impossible to achieve. It is a new breed and a work in progress but I'm already sure they are worth the effort.
I know everyone stopped trying to criticize your birds because you refused to listen. I'm not doing it to make you unhappy. But new people should develop a critical eye if they are at all interested in the breed. Since I want them to have a good start they need to understand that working with what most hatcheries offer will set them back years from the standard and that buying from better sources will get them a better and easier start for type.
It makes you uncomfortable and I understand that. This isn't an attack. People simply should know that that's not a good start, if you want to start with good birds and avoid years of type development. My hatchery birds weren't any better. This isn't a criticism of you.
Hatchery birds from most hatcheries will most often barely represent the standard in any breed. They're mass produced without an eye to the standard of perfection - what it actually should look like. They approximate color, they're not shy about mixing in breeds to improve color that don't belong there, or to improve lay in their "production" flock that also really limits the quality of the chicks you recieve. Their job is to make it LOOK kind of like a Delaware and sell it. Not meet the breed standard, not breed for birds that also brood, or even birds with any longevity or that are easy to live with.
Private hobby, heritage and show breeders have to LIVE with what they create. They then tend to keep birds that ARE easier to live with, breed from, they fight each generation to get closer to the standard because they LOVE the breed. That's a LOT different. That makes a big difference in what you do get for your money.
Growing out poor quality birds is costly and time consuming. It takes up space you could be using on good birds. There are more costs to purchasing low end birds than just the chicks themselves. Heat, feed, space, time all cost. I'd like to see people with an interest in the breed avoid as much excess cost as possible, avoid having to cull as much as I do, because most people get attached and are uncomfortable with it. I'd save them that as well.
So you will see my input. Feel free to ignore it. It's just there to help others.
Hi walkswithdog
You say my delawares look small well the male you plan to use in the breeding pen is Gallant and at 19 weeks old https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 he looks no larger or if as large as my 15 week old delaware male. Here is a picture of your Gallant at 19 weeks old http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w328/walkswithdog/Soggy%20Hollar%20Farm/variedfarmphotosand073.jpg
Here is a picture of my Delaware male at 15 weeks old https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/28420_close_up_of_my_delaware_male.jpg
I am very glad you culled Luciano and Goofus https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486 . I will keep the link to your 19 week old Delaware ( Gallant ) and when my Delawares are 19 weeks old I will post a side by side picture of them so we can compare the size of them. Here is a link to the American Poultry Association http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/index.htm you should buy a copy of the American Standard of Perfection it will help you in your poultry breeding. It will help you understand breed types as in Luciano looks very much like a Columbian Rock in type & color. It will help you understand poor Condition & Vigor as in Goofus. Dont get mad for people out there telling me they like my Delawares. If you need good talk about your Delawares ( walkswithdog ) post pictures of them. I am sure you will have people out there that will say good things about your Delawares to. I am very thankful for the good things people say about my Delawares and I am very sorry if that it makes you mad (walkswithdog).
TNpoultrybreeder
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I am glad you're looking. But Gallant is wider, shoulder, back and pelvis in those pictures. I've read the standard, and have it, and actually listened to breeders, not come to my own conclusions based on my own interpetation and only my own hatchery birds to draw conclusions from.
I'm content with the feedback I am getting from actual breeders. People with some experience have given me good input and guidance. Photos are subject first to the quality of photo and second to someone's experience. Since the guidance I'm getting from people who do breed the breed, is being followed and mirrors some of my own impressions, I'll stick with that. It certainly worked for them.
If you're happy with the feedback from people new to the breed and your own interpretation and focus, go for it.
When I get into a new breed I take the criticism of long time breeders seriously. That's how I find things improve most rapidly. It's how I suggest anyone new to a breed learn. Most good breeders gladly share their mistakes and mis-steps and success so you don't have to repeat them - because they love the breed.
You want to fly it on your own interpretations, have at it. Not my thing.
I heartily suggest anyone interested in the breed look for show and heritage flock mentors with years of experience. Learn where to get birds that will start you out right, or improve what you buy when you don't know any other source. It's okay not to know it all when you start in a breed. Research, breed clubs, people who've been working the breed for awhile - those are your best source of information.
As you've seen my birds are not perfect. They're a mixed source starter flock that I've culled from a much larger number of birds with the help of several good Delaware breeders and knowledgeable poultry breeders.
I post mostly for those newly attracted to the breed, newly involved. I want them to find the mentors, and the good resources that will get them a fast start to better birds. I knew hatchery birds would be seriously flawed but with representatives from several sources I knew also that I would "learn" to see differences more quickly. Since I have a background in flock improvement I wanted a wider experience and could afford to waste money growing out birds I figured would not work into the flock in the end. So I went with three sources, for the wider experience. Most folks would like to start with better birds and just "be there already" and that's great.
Breeders, heritage and show that have been working lines for long periods of time have the better birds. And it's those people I point people newly interested in Delawares to.
Anyone with questions about referrals please feel free to email me, remember the breed club is always a good start. Delawares are awesome and a good start is not impossible to achieve. It is a new breed and a work in progress but I'm already sure they are worth the effort.
I know everyone stopped trying to criticize your birds because you refused to listen. I'm not doing it to make you unhappy. But new people should develop a critical eye if they are at all interested in the breed. Since I want them to have a good start they need to understand that working with what most hatcheries offer will set them back years from the standard and that buying from better sources will get them a better and easier start for type.
It makes you uncomfortable and I understand that. This isn't an attack. People simply should know that that's not a good start, if you want to start with good birds and avoid years of type development. My hatchery birds weren't any better. This isn't a criticism of you.
Hatchery birds from most hatcheries will most often barely represent the standard in any breed. They're mass produced without an eye to the standard of perfection - what it actually should look like. They approximate color, they're not shy about mixing in breeds to improve color that don't belong there, or to improve lay in their "production" flock that also really limits the quality of the chicks you recieve. Their job is to make it LOOK kind of like a Delaware and sell it. Not meet the breed standard, not breed for birds that also brood, or even birds with any longevity or that are easy to live with.
Private hobby, heritage and show breeders have to LIVE with what they create. They then tend to keep birds that ARE easier to live with, breed from, they fight each generation to get closer to the standard because they LOVE the breed. That's a LOT different. That makes a big difference in what you do get for your money.
Growing out poor quality birds is costly and time consuming. It takes up space you could be using on good birds. There are more costs to purchasing low end birds than just the chicks themselves. Heat, feed, space, time all cost. I'd like to see people with an interest in the breed avoid as much excess cost as possible, avoid having to cull as much as I do, because most people get attached and are uncomfortable with it. I'd save them that as well.
So you will see my input. Feel free to ignore it. It's just there to help others.
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Hi walkswithdog
You keep talking about how much better your Delawares are than my hatchery Delawares. If so please post pictures of them, the pictures you have posted in the past looked very poor in (TYPE & TAIL COLORING). Untill then I will ignore your advice. You are not much of a poultry breeder just a critic. If you are to ashamed to post pictures of your Delawares here is a link for people to see what your Delawares looked like at one time https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486
TNpoultrybreeder
You keep talking about how much better your Delawares are than my hatchery Delawares. If so please post pictures of them, the pictures you have posted in the past looked very poor in (TYPE & TAIL COLORING). Untill then I will ignore your advice. You are not much of a poultry breeder just a critic. If you are to ashamed to post pictures of your Delawares here is a link for people to see what your Delawares looked like at one time https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=211486
TNpoultrybreeder
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