here's why we shouldn't put quail and chickens together...update #3

[fitzy]

Even though i didn't technically have them in the same area, some of the younger chickens were able to fit through my fence (or they flew over). Anyway, when my garage door was open they'd come inside and eat the food that the quail managed to flip onto the floor. I never saw one of them on top of the quail cages, but apparently the floor was close enough!

I have this guy in isolation, and (so far) haven't seen any others exhibiting symptoms....but they're on antibiotics just in case!

*update #1*
Okay, i got home a little while ago and the little guy (girl actually) is looking better. The right eye looks to be about 90% and the left eye is at least less swollen.

To clear the air about the diagnosis....When i first noticed this condition, i shot JJMR794 a PM because we've been keeping in touch about different issues with birds and i valued his opinion. I do value the opinion of everyone on here, but I knew JJ had some similar issues in the past. He gave me (as the vet confirmed today) a correct diagnosis and proper advice about which antibiotics to use. I was actually not entirely convinced, but as he put it, "better safe than sorry!

So, even though i had the bird in quarrantine and no other birds had any symptoms i went to my vet (country vet, deals with anything) and had him give the bird a good once over. He confirmed inflammed nasal passages which means it has (forgot right now....see the following posts) and sold me a bottle of Baytril to use on the bird with symptoms (and the next 200 with issues) and syringes to inject into the leg muscle. He said to continue with (hmmmm yellow powder) for the next 7 days for the other birds and 4-5 with injections on this one.



*update #2*

I went out this morning to play doctor and the bird is looking much better. The pink swelling in pic #2 is gone as is the irritation. I'd say this eye is completely normal looking at this point. The swelling in pic #1 has gone down considerably...no more pink tissue, but it's still barely able to open its eye on this side. She also gimped around after i gave her a shot, but that seems normal to me.

And the even better news, no other birds are showing any symptoms whatsoever!


*update #3*

still playing doctor and the bird is doing A LOT BETTER! The left eye is back to somewhere around 50-60% open...still no othe birds with symptoms!

I'll keep everyone posted with the progress

 

[JJMR794]

The Illness Is Most Likely Coryza--- This Is Visual Confirmation Of The Advice I Have Been Posting Here And On The Pheasant/ Partridge Boards For Some Time---

This Is The Reason You Dont Mix Chickens, Ducks Or Turkeys With Gamebirds. As Those 3 May Well Carry Coryza And Never Ever Exhibit The Illness, But Can Readily Pass It On To Your Gamebirds Who Have Little Of No Immunity To It.

The Result Is That The Illness Will Run Thru Your Gamebird Population With Wicked Fatality Results. Kinda Like The Spaniards Did To The Inca In South America Way Back When The Old World Was Discovering And Colonizing The New World.

So Now All Of Those Nay Sayers Out There Who Post Rebuttals To These Advisory Posts Can See What Happens--- "but I Always Keep My Terradactyls With My Zebras And Never Have Any Problems...." Be Warned, It May Be Lurking Out There Just Around The Corner Of Your Coop.--- I Certainly Hope Not For All Our Sakes, But This Is The #1 Reason That Advice Is Issued.

 

[SliderShooter]

I've been puttin new batches with my other quail and there fine

Life is hard. Life is harder when you are dumb.

 

[drowe005]

"Well I have raised my quail and chickens together for years, and have never had any problems"

Well, some people drink and drive on a regular basis, and have never gotten a DUI or gotten in an accident. BUT, if you continue to drink and drive, eventually you will end up in jail, kill yourself, or kill someone else. So if there is sufficient evidence out there of chickens passing diseases to gamebirds, why would anyone with half a mind continue to raise them together? And if you don't have the money to build a seperate enclosure for your gamebirds, you shouldnt even have them in my opinion. Even if they are being raised for meat production, it still is unfair to the birds to allow the opportunity for this to happen. Be smart and learn from others mistakes. Why keep playing with fire if you know what can happen? Thanks for all the informative posts in this topic; I don't raise any chickens, but enjoyed reading all the posts so I can pass this knowledge onto other people who don't know this. I just bought some quail the other day from a guy who kept chicken with his gamebirds, and I told him you weren't supposed to do that, and he was also one of those people that said, "I know, but I haven't had any problems yet". It just makes no sense to me to wait until the problem occurs before you resolve it, if you have be given sufficient warning and have had the opportunity to take preventative measures.

 

[Fat Daddy]

A few things to remember when reading threads here or anywhere else.... It is useless to debate with someone who clearly disregards all information contrary to their beliefs. This forum has had a quail section for a lot of years. Most find their way here early in their poultry experience. If they just got here, ask a few questions, and then know everything. I don't put a lot of stock in their "years" of experience.... Everyones past posts are viewable in profile. You can read every post they have made. As well as threads that are edited days later. When someone asks if they can keep their chicken chicks with their quail one day. And then says it's fine "I'v been do'n it for years" a few weeks later. Well that person likely as a Google PHD. Which is great until others that don't know any better, are led down the wrong path by opinion based on a brief history rather than years of actually raise'n the birds.... I guess what I'm try'n to say is be careful you don't take advise from someone who knows less than you! Good luck with your birds....

 

[fitzy]

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nope, there's no way my chickens can actually peck my quail. the closest they got was about 3 feet away (height of my cage). apparently i handled a chicken and then a quail with the same gloves....either that or this was an airborne illness. as a few other people have posted lately, there are some diseases that chickens only carry with no adverse affects but will cause things like this in quail.

 

[JJMR794]

Not Preachin'..... Dont Want It To Be An "i Told You So".... I Just Hope That Now With Pix And All Folks Will Be Able To Grasp The Concept I Have Been Stating Clearly. I Am Not Bragging, Beleive Me, I Got My Education With This The Hard Way--- I Earned It! At The Cost Of An Entire Hatch Of Ornimental Pheasant Chicks.

And Beleive Me Jeff Was Not A Happy Ladd! 52 Total-- Mix Of Red Goldens, Silvers, Elliots, And Reeves--- Those Arent Cheap Eggs.... And To Loose All That You Hatched--- Yep That 1 Hurt

Being In The Health Care Field And Formerly In Emergency Medicine I Operate From A "worst Case Scenario" 1st Stand Point Because If You Cover The Worst Case Scenario 1st And Thats Not Correct All The Other Scenarios Will Be Easier To Fix.... However Do It In Reverse In These Situations And Its Too Late To Fix The Worst One By The Time You Get To It.

Take Fitzy For Example--- How Many Quail? Like More Than The Dollar Amount Of Our National Deficit Aint It Fitzy? Can You Imagine How This Contagous Disease Can Devastate That Flock? Man I Dont Want To See Anybody Go Thru Somethin Like That--- Heck Not Even My Ex.

This Is Also A Good Reason To Brush Up On Your Biosecurity Practices Too.... Do A Lil Mental Exercise Here--- Imagine If You Were In The Hot Seat Here And Think Of How To Keep It From Spreading To The Rest Of Your Stock. Come Up With A Plan And Know It, And Hope You Never Have To Use It...

 

[OrpingtonHopeful]

Bumping this thread because the info in it is so important for use newbies!

I raise hens just as a homeschool project and fun- We are considering quail-

I have to say my library was chock fun of chicken raising manuals and the threads here were hugely informative so I felt like I knew the ins and outs of chickens before we brought home our first chick.

Learning about quail seems a whole lot tougher!

I appreciate the expertise shared here and would love your suggestions for resources as well!

Best wishes to all

 

[fitzy]

just knowing this thread is still alive gives me warm fuzzies...

 

[James Marie]

Bumping this topic since it's the most asked question in the quail section and because for some reason it's never been made a sticky even though many have asked several times

James your right everybody who raises quails should read this topic...
Bio-Security is so important when raising poultry...waterfowl... and Gamebirds on the same property...having to put animals down because of illness is preventable in many cases if proper husbandry and Bio-Security is practiced ....

Sorry don't want to hurt your retirement plan James...TwoCrows...yourself and many others are getting writers cramps from posting answers to the same question week after week after week....