Hey all. Thought I'd come here and maybe get some specifics. What I've found on the forum and Internet so far doesn't quite match up and mainly pertains to chicks.
Ben -- 8-9 month old Buckeye Rooster is sitting all the time.
Background:
Purchased with another of the same hatch from a local breeder at 4 months of age ( Jerry). They were culled from the breeding program for black on their feathers, not just down by the skin, not for other reasons. I reached out to the breeder, explaining I needed a breeding candidate for meat bird production, they understood and picked two out of their non-showable, non-breedable (for standard) roos. After visiting their property and long discussions with them, I have every confidence I did not pick up a diseased rooster.
Ben and Jerry lived in temporary, small, quarantine quarters for approximately 4 weeks while we built a new coop for them. Some arguments, nothing disastrous or concerning. Jerry was dominant. Both Ben and Jerry moved into new coop and run with 6, Cornish-Cross hens (aged approximately 3 months). After about a week, everyone was hiding from Jerry, so Jerry was moved to solitary confinement. Ben seemed a little "off" in his gait, and I witnessed a non-injury, non-harmful dominance issue. I assumed that perhaps Ben was bruised up a little, given the hens wouldn't come out of the coop with Jerry in the run.
Ben and Jerry have had no health issues, by the way. They were healthy as pie and have been, in so far as viral, cocci, etc.
Ben has been with the hens who are laid back and they all get along. This morning however...
I noticed this week that he was sitting in the coop more often. However, I was doing chores at hours they are typically going to bed and assumed he'd tucked himself in for the night -- he wasn't the only one tucked in ever. He came out to eat in the mornings and drink with the others everything seemed normal otherwise.
This morning he was sitting in the run when I decided we'd see if Solitary had done anything for Jerry's 'tude. Ben got up and walked a little, and it was awkward though not immediately noticeable at first. It was about the second or third time he got up that I realized he was getting up from his hocks or knees, and sitting on them, and connected everything to a problem. Picked him up; his crop is completely empty.
Brought him inside, his tootsies were really cold. Offered feed and water which he went after with gusto. But he's clearly imbalanced. He's sitting like a broodie hen in his cage, and when he does lift up, is still on his hock, not just his feet. I bathed and checked his feet -- no injury. No swelling in any of the joints that I can see. He has strength in both legs and normal 'reflexes' as far as I can tell. There does seem to be some sort of possible pain in/on/around the bone from hip to hock on the right leg. If I palpate it with my fingers he starts to try and squirm out of my grasp and when I shifted my hold on him a few times, if the leg is moved in a particular direction, he gave signs of discomfort. At one point, that leg was shaking. The toes on his right foot seem somewhat closed, like he's 'holding' something (but he's not). No heat anywhere that I can isolate.
So he's penned up and eating, but won't go to his food and water. No discharge around eyes or nose. No droopy tail other than the fact he's sitting. He has some imbalance issues but nothing overt. His stool is fine.
Other observation, he is half the size of Jerry, both in weight and body frame.
He's been on a standard 16% layer or grower ration since I've had him. I change it out as I'm trying to control the hens development.
I've waffled between three things:
1. Either the hens who still eat with the same CornishX Gusto are eating so frenetically he's been pushed off food which has resulted in overall weakness and we're dealing with malnutrition issues.
2. Either the leg injury / issue came first and he had physical trouble eating on his own.
3. Given that with hindsight he had some weirdness to his gait, perhaps he started with a vitamin deficiency of some sort that has compounded as he's aged and now we're seeing it present as ultra-obvious.
I don't think this is "disease related" as in something he caught. No one else is having issues. Neither the hens who live with him, nor his hatch mate, who lived apart from him. I'm pretty certain we're dealing with either injury or a compounding deficiency issue.
So... thoughts on what it might be and what may have caused it? What can I do to help him out? My current plan of action was to leave him confined inside the house where it's warm, with food and water pushed under his nose frequently, and see if he perks up if he's eating around the clock, and then if not, take him to the vet on Monday. But the bird vet is not a chicken vet, so I'm hoping I can nail this here. I am able to tube feed, but I'd really rather not.
Thanks!
V.
Ben -- 8-9 month old Buckeye Rooster is sitting all the time.
Background:
Purchased with another of the same hatch from a local breeder at 4 months of age ( Jerry). They were culled from the breeding program for black on their feathers, not just down by the skin, not for other reasons. I reached out to the breeder, explaining I needed a breeding candidate for meat bird production, they understood and picked two out of their non-showable, non-breedable (for standard) roos. After visiting their property and long discussions with them, I have every confidence I did not pick up a diseased rooster.
Ben and Jerry lived in temporary, small, quarantine quarters for approximately 4 weeks while we built a new coop for them. Some arguments, nothing disastrous or concerning. Jerry was dominant. Both Ben and Jerry moved into new coop and run with 6, Cornish-Cross hens (aged approximately 3 months). After about a week, everyone was hiding from Jerry, so Jerry was moved to solitary confinement. Ben seemed a little "off" in his gait, and I witnessed a non-injury, non-harmful dominance issue. I assumed that perhaps Ben was bruised up a little, given the hens wouldn't come out of the coop with Jerry in the run.
Ben and Jerry have had no health issues, by the way. They were healthy as pie and have been, in so far as viral, cocci, etc.
Ben has been with the hens who are laid back and they all get along. This morning however...
I noticed this week that he was sitting in the coop more often. However, I was doing chores at hours they are typically going to bed and assumed he'd tucked himself in for the night -- he wasn't the only one tucked in ever. He came out to eat in the mornings and drink with the others everything seemed normal otherwise.
This morning he was sitting in the run when I decided we'd see if Solitary had done anything for Jerry's 'tude. Ben got up and walked a little, and it was awkward though not immediately noticeable at first. It was about the second or third time he got up that I realized he was getting up from his hocks or knees, and sitting on them, and connected everything to a problem. Picked him up; his crop is completely empty.
Brought him inside, his tootsies were really cold. Offered feed and water which he went after with gusto. But he's clearly imbalanced. He's sitting like a broodie hen in his cage, and when he does lift up, is still on his hock, not just his feet. I bathed and checked his feet -- no injury. No swelling in any of the joints that I can see. He has strength in both legs and normal 'reflexes' as far as I can tell. There does seem to be some sort of possible pain in/on/around the bone from hip to hock on the right leg. If I palpate it with my fingers he starts to try and squirm out of my grasp and when I shifted my hold on him a few times, if the leg is moved in a particular direction, he gave signs of discomfort. At one point, that leg was shaking. The toes on his right foot seem somewhat closed, like he's 'holding' something (but he's not). No heat anywhere that I can isolate.
So he's penned up and eating, but won't go to his food and water. No discharge around eyes or nose. No droopy tail other than the fact he's sitting. He has some imbalance issues but nothing overt. His stool is fine.
Other observation, he is half the size of Jerry, both in weight and body frame.
He's been on a standard 16% layer or grower ration since I've had him. I change it out as I'm trying to control the hens development.
I've waffled between three things:
1. Either the hens who still eat with the same CornishX Gusto are eating so frenetically he's been pushed off food which has resulted in overall weakness and we're dealing with malnutrition issues.
2. Either the leg injury / issue came first and he had physical trouble eating on his own.
3. Given that with hindsight he had some weirdness to his gait, perhaps he started with a vitamin deficiency of some sort that has compounded as he's aged and now we're seeing it present as ultra-obvious.
I don't think this is "disease related" as in something he caught. No one else is having issues. Neither the hens who live with him, nor his hatch mate, who lived apart from him. I'm pretty certain we're dealing with either injury or a compounding deficiency issue.
So... thoughts on what it might be and what may have caused it? What can I do to help him out? My current plan of action was to leave him confined inside the house where it's warm, with food and water pushed under his nose frequently, and see if he perks up if he's eating around the clock, and then if not, take him to the vet on Monday. But the bird vet is not a chicken vet, so I'm hoping I can nail this here. I am able to tube feed, but I'd really rather not.
Thanks!
V.
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