Hello everyone. I just found this thread and I just thought I would stop in and say hi. Also, what predators do you know of? Have any of you had hawk problems? I have seen (and mostly killed) foxes, raccoons, weasels, and skunks. And LeviS, did you write a review about McMurray Hatchery on Dave's Garden. I noticed someone from Gladstone wrote a negative review about it. Because of that review (and many others), I changed my order from Murray to Ideal Poultry and I am very happy with Ideal. You probably still have some of these birds? Are you sure they are cross breeds? I was thinking about getting White Orpingtons, because I am an Orpington addict. I will not order from them if there are these problems. If the cross breed stuff is true, I'll just substitute the White Orpingtons for something like a White Rock, Wyandotte, etc.