Obama is close to being Impeached

[galanie]

Well some are chicken to be profiled and some that are profiled and stopped could be goosed.

 

[Bunnylady]

That's when we all chase down the offender and lob sweet nectary fruit at him right?

Absolutely! It's ever so much nicer than mudslinging.

 

[Royd]

http://now.msn.com/now/0314-obama-mug-on-flag.aspx

Now, there's a flag that I could go all OWS on.

 

[ChicknThief]

 

[thaiturkey]

May I add a few thoughts even though I'm not American, please?

Politics seems to polarise support as much as European football, a huge business that some might regard as the descendant of tribal wars. It's a pity that the discussion of different points of view is always secondary to knocking the other lot from there pedestal.

I live in a country where local politics is a sad sham but, as an outside observer, am frequently bemused by the extreme, rigid and often apparently ill-informed comments made about US politics.

The OP was about some suggestion that your elected President might be impeached. Then it rambled around some other topics, including international law and has now turned to what I believe lies behind much of the apparent hatred of Barak Obama and that is his colour. There's another thread, now locked, in which he is accused of limiting the freedoms of Americans. I don't know whether he is but he wouldn't be the only one. I read somewhere that the PATRIOT Act was the most blatant theft of citizens' rights since the Romans invaded the rest of Europe and the Middle East but that Act was nothing to do with Obama.

I despair at the half baked attacks on your President at a time when the US needs to pull together. The world is suffering a serious economic downturn and troubled international relationships, to put it mildly, and there are influential politicians who seem hell bent on hog tying the President, even if they damage the country in the meantime. You may tell me that it's nothing to do with me but, for better of for worse, the US is still the most influential economic and military power in the world and what it does to itself often affects the rest of us. In any case, it's a shame to see such a great nation ripping itself apart.

One of the most idiotic criticisms of Obama that show how irrational is the campaign against him is the suggestion that he's a Socialist. Firstly, don't knock Socialism if you don't know what it is. Secondly, Obama and the Democrats are about as far right of Socialism as the Earth is from Mars. Universal health care, the example often used by those who accuse him, isn't a Socialist policy. It's a means by which citizens are helped to stay fit for work and not suffer pain, ill health, injury and premature death through lack of financial means. The critics don't seem either able or willing to consider it as an alternative to optional, private insurance.

I suppose that's the point I'm trying to make. Try considering and discussing the political views of others without making it a battle to be won. Question their views, research the veracity of your instinctive opinions and be prepared to learn from one another.

 

[chickened]

He actually is only half black. and REAL racism is not as prevalent in this country as the Jesse Jacksons' and Al Sharptons' would have everyone believe. He got elected didn't he? People don't like Obama for his policies.

As for polarizing people our direct involvement in our governing by the people has a lot to do with why we are polarized by politics. We do come together when we need to.

Simply put most Americans do not want the government involved in healthcare evidenced by other industries they are involved in and the shape they are in. Heathcare is not free or a right it is a luxury here and our healthcare is the best in the world and someone has to pay for it and that is the problem. If we all worked and made more money the cost of healthcare would not be an issue. If we can afford huge homes,boats RV.s etc. etc. than we can afford healthcare at it's current costs. They could just as easily raise the minimum wage to say 30.00hr and take out healthcare premiums from paychecks like we are doing with SS but look at that program and the shape it isin. When I was 25 years old healthcare was the last bill I wanted.

May I add a few thoughts even though I'm not American, please?

Politics seems to polarise support as much as European football, a huge business that some might regard as the descendant of tribal wars. It's a pity that the discussion of different points of view is always secondary to knocking the other lot from there pedestal.

I live in a country where local politics is a sad sham but, as an outside observer, am frequently bemused by the extreme, rigid and often apparently ill-informed comments made about US politics.

The OP was about some suggestion that your elected President might be impeached. Then it rambled around some other topics, including international law and has now turned to what I believe lies behind much of the apparent hatred of Barak Obama and that is his colour. There's another thread, now locked, in which he is accused of limiting the freedoms of Americans. I don't know whether he is but he wouldn't be the only one. I read somewhere that the PATRIOT Act was the most blatant theft of citizens' rights since the Romans invaded the rest of Europe and the Middle East but that Act was nothing to do with Obama.

I despair at the half baked attacks on your President at a time when the US needs to pull together. The world is suffering a serious economic downturn and troubled international relationships, to put it mildly, and there are influential politicians who seem hell bent on hog tying the President, even if they damage the country in the meantime. You may tell me that it's nothing to do with me but, for better of for worse, the US is still the most influential economic and military power in the world and what it does to itself often affects the rest of us. In any case, it's a shame to see such a great nation ripping itself apart.

One of the most idiotic criticisms of Obama that show how irrational is the campaign against him is the suggestion that he's a Socialist. Firstly, don't knock Socialism if you don't know what it is. Secondly, Obama and the Democrats are about as far right of Socialism as the Earth is from Mars. Universal health care, the example often used by those who accuse him, isn't a Socialist policy. It's a means by which citizens are helped to stay fit for work and not suffer pain, ill health, injury and premature death through lack of financial means. The critics don't seem either able or willing to consider it as an alternative to optional, private insurance.

I suppose that's the point I'm trying to make. Try considering and discussing the political views of others without making it a battle to be won. Question their views, research the veracity of your instinctive opinions and be prepared to learn from one another.

 

[thaiturkey]

Sure, chickened, he says he has some Irish blood. I have American friends here who are certain that it's a racial thing and I'm glad to have your confirmation that it's not.

It's also good to have your assurance that Americans can come together when they need to. Perhaps they need to now but I don't see much sign of that amongst the politicians and they seem to be dividing the nation instead.

Health care is a very big issue and I mentioned it only by way of an example to illustrate the mistaken view that Obama is a Socialist. Let's not divert this already rambling thread onto that track. I'd be happy to discuss it on another thread.

Looking in from the outside, I'm a bit disappointed by the present US Administration. However, Obama inherited some problems which got worse through no fault of his own. Most countries have had serious economic problems which will take time to resolve. In addition, he's inherited military campaigns which, sadly, can't be ended overnight in an orderly fashion. Also from the outside, we see him blocked at every turn at a time when, more than ever, a President needs to be able to see through his plans.

I think that he might reasonably be given another term with, hopefully, the elbow room to reform the financial institutions that hold too much power in the economy. I would add that the US is not the only economic entity that needs to deal with this problem. I would agree, also, with the view that tax reforms are needed to stimulate spending by the majority of wage earners.

It's up to you guys, of course, It's your country's future.

 

[RHRanch]

He actually is only half black. and REAL racism is not as prevalent in this country as the Jesse Jacksons' and Al Sharptons' would have everyone believe. He got elected didn't he? People don't like Obama for his policies.

As for polarizing people our direct involvement in our governing by the people has a lot to do with why we are polarized by politics. We do come together when we need to.

Simply put most Americans do not want the government involved in healthcare evidenced by other industries they are involved in and the shape they are in. Heathcare is not free or a right it is a luxury here and our healthcare is the best in the world and someone has to pay for it and that is the problem. If we all worked and made more money the cost of healthcare would not be an issue. If we can afford huge homes,boats RV.s etc. etc. than we can afford healthcare at it's current costs. They could just as easily raise the minimum wage to say 30.00hr and take out healthcare premiums from paychecks like we are doing with SS but look at that program and the shape it isin. When I was 25 years old healthcare was the last bill I wanted.

Barak Obama election = no real racism problems in this country.

I can't wait to tell all the black folks I know that any indignity or racist slight is now void,(or less serious) as Obama's election proves that real racism is not as prevalent of a problem as they want to believe.

 

[thaiturkey]

And there was I trying to be diplomatic! You're just a cynic.

 

[GardenerGal]

chickened made a valid point that Obama was, after all, elected president of the U.S. If this were a country populated by a vast majority of racists, that couldn't have happened.

But certainly it doesn't mean there aren't racists and haters. Of course there are! Humans are humans -- fallible and prone to letting our ignorance about the world and its peoples, turn into fear, and from fear to hatred. The hopeful thing is that humans are also capable of learning, and through education and exposure to those "different" from them, they can learn to respect others who aren't quite like them. In my observation, most do.

There is a relative VERY VOCAL minority of haters who would love to eradicate all people of African, Latino, Jewish, Irish, American Indian, etc. etc. descent, not to mention gay people (you name the ethnic/racial/socio-cultural group and you'll find someone who hates that group), but that's the thing: if they represented the majority, we'd be living in the Fourth Reich right now and I'll wager that a large number of us on BYC would be getting herded into the extermination camps.

But it's not happening. The vast majority of people, I believe, are basically good or at least neutral and willing to be educated about others, before having an opinion.




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